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I actually do render for a living and manage one of the biggest renderfarm (over 1200 render slaves) in the northeast, which is one reason why I would like to get the best performance I can from all my equipment. I run a small renderfarm to test files at home using deadline, http://www.thinkboxsoftware.com/deadline/ . If anyone else does rendering I would suggest you give this a try as it gives you 2 free license to use for slaves, which I use at home. When I say I can "swear" I see a difference, if you render or even running benchmark, there are parts when it seem the screen just froze or lag and I can feel the effect. In xtu and cinebench there are part where in the middle of the benchmark the whole system just seem to slow down. Maybe I am just more sensitive and notice it more since I been doing this such a long time. I will admit beside the part it lag or froze, without special software or benchmark you will never notice it. I already stated that going from 4.5 to 4.6 I do not see any more fps in my games, the only thing I do see are higher temps. I am just trying to tinker and maybe find way to optimize my system, and again I will admit maybe "seeing" the speed is in my head which is why I go by the test number and why I like to sit and look at the computer when testing. If anything else, it makes me feel all nice and squishy inside lolzx.

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Also I did not say 300 MHz under core is a sweet spot, I say I found that to be MY sweet spot. I don't want anyone to go thinking that is what you need, each chip is different and a lot of time will be needed to test it. Just like the whole 1:1 ratio thing; I suggest everyone test themselves, don't take anyone word for it. Your result will, and I guarantee it, will be difference than mine and other in this thread.

Yes, I understand that you said it is your sweet spot. But others might read it as everybody's sweet spot and I wanted to clarify.

ThinkBoxSoftware, that's interesting name. :D I don't know much about render farms but isn't your OC only for your personal computer? By effect I was thinking more along the lines of having the render finish up faster. I wonder if I can push higher ring bus too.

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Darkwizzie a few things:
1) don't think it's important but my VCCIN is 1.920 not 1.950 :-)
2) have you tried setting a minimum for your cache ratio? what are your thoughts on that? (i think you mentioned just set to max). originally i had x45 for min and max but now have min as x8. haven't noticed any instability or degradation in performance but i do see now that the speed of the cache ratio fluctuates (you can see it in XTU). it probably doesn't matter, more to go with the 'energy efficiency' of hasswell tongue.gif
3) have you noticed the lowest voltage your process dips to when idle (when on adaptive and with c-states enabled obviously)?

1) Kk will fix in a bit.

2) No, because only Asus mobos seem to have that functionality. Not my board, I know that.

3) Goes under 0.1v I know that, but I need to close Chrome which I'm using right now to type.

 

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Username:lawson7086
CPU Model:I7-4770K
Core Multiplier: 43X
CPU VID: Auto
Vcore: 1.218
Input Voltage:Auto
Uncore Multiplier:40x "Auto"
Uncore Voltage:Auto
Cooling Solution:H80i
Stability Test: IBT Standard 10 runs IBT high 10 runs XTU stresstest 5 hours, XTU benchtest 10 runs X246 2 hours
Batch Number: ?
Ram Speed: XMP set with manual timings and voltage entered 9-10-9-27 1.50v

I am a Automatic lover biggrin.gif

You'll be charted soon. Thanks.

What is dram speed?


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Hey peeps, i'm still hitting occasional 101's under encoding stress@

47x core
40x uncore
2.0vrin
1.345vcore
1.2 ring
+0.1 sa, dio

^Basically, from my stable 4.6 settings, that's +0.075vcore (a little more than i need i think; can't remember the last time i saw a 124, i've got a few screenshots of passing longer encodes at lower like 1.32)
as well as +0.15 vrin (was using 1.85 with my 1.27vcore)

and also, +0.1 sa/dio added.

It works great some days, doesn't work great others. I've passed hours of testing before, only to get up the next day and have it 101 two or three times within 5-10 minutes of encoding, like it just won't quite do it.

Moar vrin? I'm back to extreme llc now, just a little hesitant considering my clock 100mhz down will work on on like 1.8vrin - so should it be mandatory to increase vrin by 0.3 just for 100mhz on the core? I really have no idea how this stuff works.

Ty!
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My experience with my CPU... 1.95v was sufficient for 1.35v Vcore. 2.15v for 1.42v.

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DarkWizzie -- got it, thanks.

Cyro999 --
is your dram all stock settings?

even if your dram is stock, you could experiment with slightly higher sa/dio/aio, mine is +0.145 (though ram is at 2133). That *might* give you some extra stability. (i noticed you dont have aio mentioned ,did you leave it stock completely?)

that's nice voltage for x47! for me i needed 1.375 to be stable at 4.7 -- exactly 0.1 above my current 1.275 for x46. you could try bumping a bit to say 1.355, see if that makes it more stable.

also, i think wizzie mentioned he went a bit above 2.0V for vccin, but obviously somwhat risky

btw try all of those one at a time to figure out what, if any, helps. good luck!
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A little anxious because ~2.1 24/7 is kind of poking at not-widely-tested levels, while 1.35 load vcore on the other hand (with most of the time idle) seems quite calm with ht off and temps down

^My RAM's @stable 2400 settings*, no indication of problems with it, and 101 doesn't go away with RAM @800mhz, nor with +0.2+0.2+0.2 on sa/io

I didn't see reason to raise aio, i mean seemed like a few required sa/dio for pushing CPU but few with aio and i don't want to blanket raise volts because even if it was acceptable practice, you can create instability that way AFAIK

I've gone to 1.4vcore, didn't help. Vcore removed my 124's but they don't appear after 1.33 or so.

Pretty close to stability now, but longer encodes are breaking it sometimes

*The idea was originally - Hey, i have rock solid 4.6 settings from 4 months of testing - lets disable hyperthreading, go up 100mhz and edge the settings in. It's close
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that's nice voltage for x47! for me i needed 1.375 to be stable at 4.7 -- exactly 0.1 above my current 1.275 for x46. you could try bumping a bit to say 1.355, see if that makes it more stable.

Hey, I don't think I can get to 4.7 even if I tried! 2.15/1.42v for 46! Feel my pain! :devil-smi
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Hey, I don't think I can get to 4.7 even if I tried! 2.15/1.42v for 46! Feel my pain!

I have the highest Vcore on my chart for anybody running x46, lol.
ya man, sorry wizzie frown.gif that does kinda suck, but is not as bad as some who commented (and haven't been charted). i believe someone was around 1.3 for x42 (though i wonder if they followed your advice or have crazy dram/uncore haha)
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Well, on 2.1vrin, +0.1+0.1 sa/dio, 1.2 ring, i actually just got a 9c. Didn't get one of those for ages (i just fell back 1.22 ring to 1.2 and +0.15sa/dio to +0.1) so i reverted those changes, set vrin to 2.05 and added +0.15 analog io. I'll keep updated wink.gif
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Thanks Kinzh for the detailed reply, this is very intesting and instructive. I hit similar walls with my CPU but it was 4.6 -> 4.7 (large increase in V & temps) for core, and 4.5 -> 4.6 for uncore (same large increase in V & temps). Do you have a link to that XTU test, is it free? How does it compare to x264? Also, what is input voltage? Memory clock/voltage? (sorry if you posted those before...).

At 4.6 ghz my 4770k is running 1.36 vcore, 43v uncore at 1.18 uncore voltage,memories are 16g 4 stick team xtreem dark and I have them at 1866 xmp. I was able to boot up at 2400 but did not like the extremely loose timing. I was at 13,15,13,35 timing and as i don't know much about memories timing but they seem too too loose to me and in testing it did not perform any better than 1866. 2133 was a slight improvement with better result but I just wanted my memories to run at their xmp profile and I am happy.

My confirm stable 4.5 setting should be in the chart created by Dark. But off the top of my head it is 4.5 ghz, 1.265 vcore ,42 uncore and 1.16 voltage. I just got home so I will confirm those number tomorrow.

Thinking back, maybe performance increase was not the right word but more optimizing. I try to be careful with my words as not to perpetuate any misinformation. I do feel that there is a lot to haswell and each user spending the time to fine tune their chip will yield some benefit beside just raw power/performance. For encoder/editor/renderer maybe a smoother experience with less lag/freeze and benchmarker, it could give a bit of a higher number, but to each his own. 100 point in cinebench,xtu is really nothing in term of performance gain. Might be a placebo effect but to me it just feel a bit more solid, can't really explain it but it makes me happy tongue.gif .This pc is personal, I do not do the real heavy lifting on it, got 2 dell precisions workstations for that but I do use this pc to test files and frames for errors. This is more of an all around unit smile.gif

Thinkbox is great for renderer which is my primary use, it has plug in for almost all the render software such as vray,rhino,max and with 2 free license, you can turn any old computer lying around into a render slave and speed up your work while leaving your main computer free to game,surf, bench, testing files etc.
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random question -- has anyone found out where VCORE is displayed in hwinfo? i only see it in hwmonitor. It's a bit annoying because i really like hwinfo and don't want to have to open another app. My new strategy is to let a test run overnight while using "logging" option in hwinfo. Then in the morning I plot the temps for kicks (and to see if anything got fried tongue.gif)

EDIT: also did you know if you right click on some cells, hwinfo has a GRAPH capability? pretty cool! just found out randomly! smile.gif

kinzx -- thanks a lot for the XTU tip! it comes with a benchmarking score, and i can switch manual <--> adaptive voltage on the fly (ASUS AI suite has that too but i find all their stuff non-BIOS stuff to be so buggy! Intel on the other hand is solid so far!) And it also shows you cache ratio / ring speed which i haven't seen anywhere else, not even in hwinfo!
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