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No it doesn't, it's just read that way in software, which is an imprecise and inaccurate reading wink.gif
^I'd suggest set uncore to 34x, manual ring to 1.2 just to be safe, and keep crashes clear. Put VRIN LLC on near-max level, and also try increasing it, etc at 1.25vcore, use 1.85vrin, at 1.3vcore, use 1.92vrin or something like that etc. You could try using x264 to stress, see what happens there. Linpack (IBT) without avx isn't a great stability test, and with AVX is very hot and punishing on some areas of OC but not others.

Don't use adaptive volts til you're 100% stable, IMO.

And most important thing: Bluescreen codes? Even with them, you're looking for needles in haystack for Haswell stability sometimes, without them.. there's not much to say.


Faster RAM makes OC harder, not easier. Better performance (especially like 2133-2666 at nice tight timings vs 1333 at like c8/c9..) in some cpu bound stuff, though

My motherboard has Vin(fixed) - 1.9v by default(will lowering it make oc better?)

I only test at fixed voltage mode, then when it is stable, i change to adaptive mode and test again to make sure the voltages are fine.

Setting Cache Ratio to 34 and VRing to 1.2 gave the following results

CPU - 44 with 1.27
I can probably go 45 with a little more voltage.I think i tested with 34x uncore before, i think setting the VRing volts manually made the difference.

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Gana
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Welp...

Frequency: 44
Uncore: 34
Vring: 1.2
Vrin: 1.9

124 STOP Error during x264 (first run of the second pass).
Edited by fleetfeather - 11/23/13 at 12:55am
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Yea it's confusing if 4570k etc has different uncore by default.. 35x is the value on my 4770k that turbo's, 34x does not

Been playing with this today instead of playing BF4 (I'm one of those with few to no problems thankfully).

Anyhow, this has my interest atm - if I set Cache on Auto everything then it will stay at x39 Multi and 1.17v. It will not show x34 or x35 or Turbo. If I want that, then in theory I'm under-clocking it based just on that fact alone. When I do put it down to x35 manually and still leave volts to Auto it now shows 1.07v and the Multi will not change; sticks to x35, there is no turbo etc. Further, if I leave the x35 Multi but change the volts manually to say 1.2v, that's not what is shown, it's still @ 1.07v according to HWInfo.
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Welcome back, Belial.
From my personal experience with my CPU, at that voltage I need higher Vrin to be stable. For 1.35v, 1.95v was more than enough. At 1.42v my chip is starting to hurt and I need 2.15v to achieve the stability I"m looking for. Not the results I was expecting, but I ran many tests and it shows an increase in stability when my Vrin went up. Even when my voltage went to 1.5v Vcore, nothing changed until Vrin was raised.

Wow that's interesting, all the guides and stuff say .4-.5 delta. I thought I was crazy when I went for .6 delta, I knew it helped stability but it seemed like so far from the normally recommended .4 delta it didn't cross my mind to push it further.

I understand a few haswells have died from high VRIN? I want to avoid that, I believe they only occurred to stupid people who ramped up 2.6VRIN but that doesn't mean that something like 2.3vrin or even 2.15 isn't dangerous.

I mean like I said, my CPU passed 24 hours, then I tried higher ram speed and I got x101 so I didn't think it would be cpu vrin or vcore or anything like that. Does taht mean I passed p95 with an unstable chip, or that ram speed affects cpu overclock?
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Having a brutal time here with my new 4770k (batch# L315B632 is to be AVOIDED at all costs.)

Currently still throwing WHEA errors with 4.3ghz @ 1.3volts. Memory is 2x4gb 2133mhz Corsair Dom Plats underclocked to 1600mhz with loose timings. Set Min and Max Cache Ratio's each to 4.1 as well. Mobo is a z87 Gryphon.

Again, the above settings are not stable according to Event Viewer.

Any advice for me? Seriously regretting selling off my 3570k + Sniper M3 at this point. mad.gif

haswell is way better clock for clock, and if you are smart and buy the right ram for the same price as regular ram, like these gskill hynix cfr for $56 after coupon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 that are easily capable of 3ghz+, the increased IMC and RAM speeds will way more than make up for any loss. Haswell's IMC is insane - you're talking going from ~2200mhz IMC on Ivy to ~3ghz IMC on average on Haswell. That's literally twice as large a difference than going from DDR3 to DDR4 (1600 to 2133).

Haswell's also got AVX2, and surely you bought haswell because of the huge gains and promises in AVX2 right? I mean haswell kicks butt when it comes to that, delivered as promised. The bclk straps, uncore and voltage customization also gives way more options than ivy and sandy. I went from 5ghz ivy to 4.6ghz Haswell and my haswell system is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than my ivy using the exact same ram, using even faster RAM and I get a good noticeable number of points extra. I mean on cinbench I went up more than half a point, despite getting a crappy haswell from a golden ivy.

You also need to delid and have water (at least high end closed loop, like 240mm rad) though. High end chip = high end cooling. People trying to get by with hyper 212s is lol.
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haswell is way better clock for clock, and if you are smart and buy the right ram for the same price as regular ram, like these gskill hynix cfr for $56 after coupon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 that are easily capable of 3ghz+, the increased IMC and RAM speeds will way more than make up for any loss. Haswell's IMC is insane - you're talking going from ~2200mhz IMC on Ivy to ~3ghz IMC on average on Haswell. That's literally twice as large a difference than going from DDR3 to DDR4 (1600 to 2133).

Haswell's also got AVX2, and surely you bought haswell because of the huge gains and promises in AVX2 right? I mean haswell kicks butt when it comes to that, delivered as promised. The bclk straps, uncore and voltage customization also gives way more options than ivy and sandy. I went from 5ghz ivy to 4.6ghz Haswell and my haswell system is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than my ivy using the exact same ram, using even faster RAM and I get a good noticeable number of points extra. I mean on cinbench I went up more than half a point, despite getting a crappy haswell from a golden ivy.

You also need to delid and have water (at least high end closed loop, like 240mm rad) though. High end chip = high end cooling. People trying to get by with hyper 212s is lol.
I fully understand and appreciate the value of haswell, I'm simply coming from a above-average IB chip to a far, far below average haswell chip tongue.gif
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I stay around 60C after delid, CLU, h110 with 4x 140mm fans blasting (and 6 other fans in a basically open bench setting). It also helps to have 10C weather because I insulated my computer room from my house. In normal ~22C/70F room temp, I hit about 85C max though in p95 28.1.

Did you not delid? It's unclear if you are saying you delidded or not. You need to delid. A raystorm is at ~90C on 1.3v is something very wrong.
And I found your 'very wrong' biggrin.gif

Like, you paid $200 for a top of the line, modern cooling system. You pay ~$400 for a top of the line, bleeding edge new CPU. And then you pay... $2 for a 4 year old, crappy thermal paste lachen.gif

I haven't delided yet, was contemplating it (at least the 90 C was with the processor non-delided...) Thanks for the advice on thermal paste. I did get the MX-4 like 2-3 years ago and I haven't looked into any alternatives/newer tech when I upgraded to water cooling this past year.
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Wow that's interesting, all the guides and stuff say .4-.5 delta. I thought I was crazy when I went for .6 delta, I knew it helped stability but it seemed like so far from the normally recommended .4 delta it didn't cross my mind to push it further.

I understand a few haswells have died from high VRIN? I want to avoid that, I believe they only occurred to stupid people who ramped up 2.6VRIN but that doesn't mean that something like 2.3vrin or even 2.15 isn't dangerous.

I mean like I said, my CPU passed 24 hours, then I tried higher ram speed and I got x101 so I didn't think it would be cpu vrin or vcore or anything like that. Does taht mean I passed p95 with an unstable chip, or that ram speed affects cpu overclock?

0.4 is MINIMUM delta. From what i've seen you might just need like a multiplier or curve, like for every X vcore you have, you need to add an increasing amount of VRIN. It's not really well understood, but got a 101 quite quickly setting ~1.75 vrin on 1.27vcore OC (that's been my 24/7.. passing all of my tests np as well as all usage, encoding etc) and it seems to demand more quite quickly with higher vcores etc


RAM.. RAM is troubling at best. To be honest i'd set it down, same as uncore, til you're at the core multi you want. You're satisfied with 4.6ghz core and sure that you can't use higher with uncore and RAM down? I had major problems with some multipliers or even toggling HT on causing massive instability that turned out was just down to IMC freaking out with core high or HT on - trying to lower volts or test VRIN for your core multi while you have uncore up and a wild RAM multi and also sa, dio, aio is tricky, at best, considering how hard it can be to narrow stuff down for stability even when you do things 1 at a time instead of all-in mindset. IMO, you should go back and list the type of crashes you get etc. You used to be pushing 4.8ghz on 1.45vcore, it's possible you could still even do that but just had bad settings especially around VRIN, if you were getting 101's
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haswell is way better clock for clock, and if you are smart and buy the right ram for the same price as regular ram, like these gskill hynix cfr for $56 after coupon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 that are easily capable of 3ghz+, the increased IMC and RAM speeds will way more than make up for any loss. Haswell's IMC is insane - you're talking going from ~2200mhz IMC on Ivy to ~3ghz IMC on average on Haswell. That's literally twice as large a difference than going from DDR3 to DDR4 (1600 to 2133).

Haswell's also got AVX2, and surely you bought haswell because of the huge gains and promises in AVX2 right? I mean haswell kicks butt when it comes to that, delivered as promised. The bclk straps, uncore and voltage customization also gives way more options than ivy and sandy. I went from 5ghz ivy to 4.6ghz Haswell and my haswell system is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than my ivy using the exact same ram, using even faster RAM and I get a good noticeable number of points extra. I mean on cinbench I went up more than half a point, despite getting a crappy haswell from a golden ivy.

You also need to delid and have water (at least high end closed loop, like 240mm rad) though. High end chip = high end cooling. People trying to get by with hyper 212s is lol.
I fully understand and appreciate the value of haswell, I'm simply coming from a above-average IB chip to a far, far below average haswell chip tongue.gif

So am I but I've been absolutely loving haswell. The things you can do with a decent kit of RAM are just insane. I'm getting copy speeds above 35,000mb/s for 24/7 usage. I hit 3.2ghz on my first try for a quick validation. It's insane. I dont know what RAM IC your dom plats are, sounds like sammies or microns unfortunately, but with some hynix or hyk0s....
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I haven't delided yet, was contemplating it (at least the 90 C was with the processor non-delided...) Thanks for the advice on thermal paste. I did get the MX-4 like 2-3 years ago and I haven't looked into any alternatives/newer tech when I upgraded to water cooling this past year.

Delid, get CLU. Pretty straightforward. Massive difference. Check out delid club. Here's a video of me delidding, I've delidded a ton.

I still maintain the claim that not a single person has messed up delidding when they did it properly. There are about a half dozen people who messed it up, most just resulted in only running single channel instead of dual channel (imo worth a 30C temp drop), who all used the wrong type of razor blade (ie they used a knife or utility blade).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbqzGH9Uwbs
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
Other
Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
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So am I but I've been absolutely loving haswell. The things you can do with a decent kit of RAM are just insane. I'm getting copy speeds above 35,000mb/s for 24/7 usage. I hit 3.2ghz on my first try for a quick validation. It's insane. I dont know what RAM IC your dom plats are, sounds like sammies or microns unfortunately, but with some hynix or hyk0s....
Delid, get CLU. Pretty straightforward. Massive difference. Check out delid club. Here's a video of me delidding, I've delidded a ton.

I still maintain the claim that not a single person has messed up delidding when they did it properly. There are about a half dozen people who messed it up, most just resulted in only running single channel instead of dual channel (imo worth a 30C temp drop), who all used the wrong type of razor blade (ie they used a knife or utility blade).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbqzGH9Uwbs

What voltages are you pushing for your chip?
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