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Sorry but i am sure you are trying to help...however you did not know my cooling situation or what benchmarking programs i have sitting on my desktop...you don't know how much of i noob i am when you ask such limited questions and then say it should be fine to run over 1.4 volts though my cpu....no i am sorry but i will speak in such a matter of fact way when you are telling someone its ok to run 1.4 volts though there new CPU is seen as acceptable...if i had done that and ran that voltage and then ran IBTor prime i could end up like the 2 guys who have had there chips die on them....read this
No one not even you guys knows enough about haswell yet...we are all still learning!

"So I finally killed it. Long story short I ran with stable 4.5 ghz overclock for more than a month. My chip was delidded with CLP between IHS and the die. Core voltage was ~1.32. Temps never went above 75C on Prime95. Few days ago I decided to try Prime95 with AVX.

I noticed that with AVX the voltage jumped to ~1.38, I was not too worried because temps didn't go any higher. I observed it for few minutes and left it run for few hours. When I came back my PC was dead. Would not turn on at all. Fans would spin and turn off right away."

http://www.overclock.net/t/1417554/killed-my-4770k

Which ended up being a delid issue. And I already gave a large paragraph disclaimer for that. When you whack your CPU with a hammer, do so at your own peril.

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Sorry but i am sure you are trying to help...however you did not know my cooling situation or what benchmarking programs i have sitting on my desktop...you don't know how much of i noob i am when you ask such limited questions and then say it should be fine to run over 1.4 volts though my cpu....no i am sorry but i will speak in such a matter of fact way when you are telling someone its ok to run 1.4 volts though there new CPU is seen as acceptable...if i had done that and ran that voltage and then ran IBTor prime i could end up like the 2 guys who have had there chips die on them....read this
No one not even you guys knows enough about haswell yet...we are all still learning!

"So I finally killed it. Long story short I ran with stable 4.5 ghz overclock for more than a month. My chip was delidded with CLP between IHS and the die. Core voltage was ~1.32. Temps never went above 75C on Prime95. Few days ago I decided to try Prime95 with AVX.

I noticed that with AVX the voltage jumped to ~1.38, I was not too worried because temps didn't go any higher. I observed it for few minutes and left it run for few hours. When I came back my PC was dead. Would not turn on at all. Fans would spin and turn off right away."

http://www.overclock.net/t/1417554/killed-my-4770k

If i remember correctly from that topic; it wasn't certain why it died and it was almost certainly not from running 1.38v. Since he was running Prime on adaptive voltage, it's very possible that the voltage rose far higher when it switched onto another FFT size, especially since the first FFT size that prime, especially prime 28.1 runs, is much easier than the second one.


If you want actual evidence of stuff running fine, Belial showed me a shot of 30-hours prime 28.1 pass at ~1.47 load vcore yesterday. He's probably loaded CPU a couple hundreds hours at ~1.42-1.47 load vcore (delid, h110 pushpull, 10c room) without it blowing up - i have some doubts for longevity though.
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1.38v on adaptive on Prime can very well break the CPU. I accidently ran Prime on 1.35 and then I shot up to 100C, closed it in a hurry.

 

I've already added two paragraphs addressing basics of OCing: Can be dangerous, watch temps, etc. 

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Sorry but i am sure you are trying to help...however you did not know my cooling situation or what benchmarking programs i have sitting on my desktop...you don't know how much of i noob i am when you ask such limited questions and then say it should be fine to run over 1.4 volts though my cpu....no i am sorry but i will speak in such a matter of fact way when you are telling someone its ok to run 1.4 volts though there new CPU is seen as acceptable...if i had done that and ran that voltage and then ran IBTor prime i could end up like the 2 guys who have had there chips die on them....read this


"So I finally killed it. Long story short I ran with stable 4.5 ghz overclock for more than a month. My chip was delidded with CLP between IHS and the die. Core voltage was ~1.32. Temps never went above 75C on Prime95. Few days ago I decided to try Prime95 with AVX.

I noticed that with AVX the voltage jumped to ~1.38, I was not too worried because temps didn't go any higher. I observed it for few minutes and left it run for few hours. When I came back my PC was dead. Would not turn on at all. Fans would spin and turn off right away."

No one not even you guys knows enough about haswell yet...we are all still learning!

http://www.overclock.net/t/1417554/killed-my-4770k

Perfect example of why you NEVER run any synthetic tests while on Adaptive voltages....And after all of this talk, you still haven't mentioned what cooling solution you're using....
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Perfect example of why you NEVER run any synthetic tests while on Adaptive voltages....And after all of this talk, you still haven't mentioned what cooling solution you're using....

And after all of this talk now only do you say ..."Perfect example of why you NEVER run any synthetic tests"....and "you still haven't mentioned what cooling solution" ...don't mean to be funny mate but i am a long distance truck driver not a computer wiz kid or anything of the such and to me you are asking all the right questions now at the wrong time..also if i had of killed my CPU it would not be so easy for me to just pop out and buy another one.....
Anyhow as for my cooling situation its a h80i
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Perfect example of why you NEVER run any synthetic tests while on Adaptive voltages....And after all of this talk, you still haven't mentioned what cooling solution you're using....

That... 

 

But to be clear here, lawson:

 

-Delid Issue: Has its own paragraph. Common sense dictates hitting your CPU is potentially dangerous.

-General Temp Issue: Has it's own section under stress test section where I note what temps are safe or not safe. That itself is more than enough hint that testing temps is a good idea. But I have made that even more clear now. First section, first paragraph (under "Basics" spoiler, very first one(.

-Temps Under Adaptive: Noted that one must NOT stress synthetics under adaptive, once underlined + bold, another time noted in the stressing section. Another time listed in the actual CPU OCing instructions.

-General Voltage Issues: Same with general temp issues, listed in same place. If the guide takes the trouble of displaying and making you read two long paragraphs on what voltages are safe, then it stands to reason that voltages affect safety.

 

I think all the issues are listed in the guide already. It might get lost in the sea of text, but it's in there, even the most basics, especially now that I've just put in two new paragraphs.


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That... 

But to be clear here, lawson:

-Delid Issue: Has its own paragraph. Common sense dictates hitting your CPU is potentially dangerous.
-General Temp Issue: Has it's own section under stress test section where I note what temps are safe or not safe. That itself is more than enough hint that testing temps is a good idea. But I have made that even more clear now. First section, first paragraph (under "Basics" spoiler, very first one(.
-Temps Under Adaptive: Noted that one must NOT stress synthetics under adaptive, once underlined + bold, another time noted in the stressing section. Another time listed in the actual CPU OCing instructions.
-General Voltage Issues: Same with general temp issues, listed in same place. If the guide takes the trouble of displaying and making you read two long paragraphs on what voltages are safe, then it stands to reason that voltages affect safety.

I think all the issues are listed in the guide already. It might get lost in the sea of text, but it's in there, even the most basics, especially now that I've just put in two new paragraphs.

Thank you Darkwizzie for the above and updating it...however i have already read that information...my concerns are for the people that don't read that information which we all know that not everyone does...they like to pop into a thread before reading what they should of all ready read and ask questions... maybe a bit like the guy on the last page who it would appear has not read all the paragrahs when he asked you this...

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Is 1.30 uncore volts safe for 24/7 usage?
I think so but I stay under 1.3 right now. Whatever chance a voltage above 1.27v has to harming a CPU, even if it's very small, I find to be a needless risk because that extra 100 mhz unvore really doesn't do anything. But in terms of actual safety, I think 1.3 or under is fine.

Like, I pushed my Vcore to 1.42v but only because that voltage lets me get another 100mhz core which has a performance difference that is actually measurable.

Common sense dictates he had not read all of the information before he asked you this question...we all know not everyone reads everything...my only concern is to keep that in mind when telling people that you can put a voltage though your cpu that we all know is slightly over the top and we don't know what there cooling situation is?...noobs and kids are on all forum asking all sorts of questions and it is or should be clear from there questions alone that the have not read the disclaimer...all i am saying is that from you guys that know a lot more than myself and as i am sure many others that read this thread please keep this in mind when dishing out information......thx
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Thank you Darkwizzie for the above and updating it...however i have already read that information...my concerns are for the people that don't read that information which we all know that not everyone does...they like to pop into a thread before reading what they should of all ready read and ask questions... maybe a bit like the guy on the last page who it would appear has not read all the paragrahs when he asked you this...

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Is 1.30 uncore volts safe for 24/7 usage?
I think so but I stay under 1.3 right now. Whatever chance a voltage above 1.27v has to harming a CPU, even if it's very small, I find to be a needless risk because that extra 100 mhz unvore really doesn't do anything. But in terms of actual safety, I think 1.3 or under is fine.

Like, I pushed my Vcore to 1.42v but only because that voltage lets me get another 100mhz core which has a performance difference that is actually measurable.

Common sense dictates he had not read all of the information before he asked you this question...we all know not everyone reads everything...my only concern is to keep that in mind when telling people that you can put a voltage though your cpu that we all know is slightly over the top and we don't know what there cooling situation is?...noobs and kids are on all forum asking all sorts of questions and it is or should be clear from there questions alone that the have not read the disclaimer...all i am saying is that from you guys that know a lot more than myself and as i am sure many others that read this thread please keep this in mind when dishing out information......thx

Ok, I'll just qualify 1.4v with 1.4v via x264.

But I think the easiest way to brick your CPU is by stressing synthetics over adaptive without checking temps and running off to do something else. I've already done all I can with the guide itself, tis' a shame people don't read.

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Ok, I'll just qualify 1.4v with 1.4v via x264.
But I think the easiest way to brick your CPU is by stressing synthetics over adaptive without checking temps and running off to do something else. I've already done all I can with the guide itself, tis' a shame people don't read.

It's seriously grown old that people come to a thread asking for help without even bother to help themselves. Shoot. People need to start sending me their CPUs and I'll overclock for them and then tell them what they need to run it at. tongue.gif
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It's seriously grown old that people come to a thread asking for help without even bother to help themselves. Shoot. People need to start sending me their CPUs and I'll overclock for them and then tell them what they need to run it at. tongue.gif

Exactly!!!! Or this sudden influx of batch questions....I've been to many different Haswell threads, on many different forums, and what I've gathered is this: It is seriously a silicon lottery. Just because you have the same batch # as a spectacular overclocking CPU, it doesn't mean that yours is going to perform the same way.

This leads back to the main thing we've all learned about Haswell - Every chip is different....
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