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My claims bout the 20% in the first place was in regards to why I had personally chosen to upgrade from my Sandy i7 to the Haswell i7. Not that Sandy was overall 20% better. 

 

I am averaging in the upper 70s in Prime @ 4.5GHz. When doing normal applications (VS, video and photo editing, Folding @ Home, etc) I never see myself go above 60c and usually hover around 40-50c (this is during load). I am in the process of converting to water cooling, though I was always planning to do that regardless of Haswell (TBH it was my GPU that pushed me towards the decision). I always thought I held fairly normal standards on keeping things cool, but as it turns out a lot of people seem to be shockingly okay with CPUs that hit 70c+ at normal load (non stress testing). On here there are folks who want the coldest case possible and I definitely want to join that party. No liquid nitrogen for me, though.  

I hope you understand this: By default, when I reply it is to try to help. Whether I succeed in doing that or not, is dependent on the other person. But we have a shared interest, and I'm volunteering time to maintain, update the guide/chart and read every single post in this entire thread. It takes time and I wouldn't be doing this so I can go off on random people.

 

I found your initial and reply to my response to your initial reponse to be somewhat snide. That annoys me because I'm doing this in the spirit of getting everybody better overclocks through better informed decisions. If you think I have no idea what you're talking about, the best way would be to spell it out step by step to me. Comments like, why don't you get it, others did, won't help and only serves to annoy me further. I'm telling you the way I saw things regardless of your actual intentions

 

Now, about temps: I'm a believer in that each person should decide what temps they are comfortable with. My normal load includes chess, which in temps is like perpetual video rendering, which is why temps are a bit higher. But some people have higher tolerances for risk and higher tolerance to complete CPU meltdown. Some of us can't afford another and some of us could. A small minority throw away CPUs like it's a candy wrapper. If by cold case you're referring you general case airflow temperature, with air cooling, the air isn't really changed much by CPU load. The thermal transfer isn't the best, the CPU heatsink gets lukewarm, so the air doesn't really heat up all that much. I find my GPU to be a larger factor. The poor thermal transfer makes sense, this is why people delid, no?

 

While you might know 20% is for some applications, for the sake of random people passing by, please specify that it's 20% for these hyperthreaded applications. If it is true that somebody who writes this guide can get mislead by reading that, imagine if I'm brand new to this... I'd think i5 vs i5 would be 20% faster based on a skim.

 

The request to see i7 vs i7, Haswell vs Sandy with Sandy being 20% slower isn't just a challenge, I actually want to see it even if I'm wrong. You have to understand, people sometimes run into the guide and make random, unfounded claims. One random guy actually came here to troll by spilling BS all over. I have to maintain some level of skepticism, and even if I take what others say on face value, others won't nessesarily believe me if I don't cough up some charts. And I'm not in the position to test both i7s.


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But high heat with Intel over extended periods of time can cause damage, no?

with high voltage, yea.

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The request to see i7 vs i7, Haswell vs Sandy with Sandy being 20% slower isn't just a challenge, I actually want to see it even if I'm wrong.

I'd expect i7 vs i7 to have the same difference in most loads compared to i5 vs i5, i mean like - if sandy bridge i7 is 15% faster than sandy bridge i5, i'd expect haswell i7 to be 15% faster than haswell i5 etc.

Here's your 20% btw - old version of encoder, so Haswell performance isn't quite there yet on it

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with high voltage, yea.
I'd expect i7 vs i7 to have the same difference in most loads compared to i5 vs i5, i mean like - if sandy bridge i7 is 15% faster than sandy bridge i5, i'd expect haswell i7 to be 15% faster than haswell i5 etc.

Here's your 20% btw - old version of encoder, so Haswell performance isn't quite there yet on it

VXDBFt2.png

This needs to be adjusted for average OCs though. While the 4770k being 17.8% faster is a larger margin than I would have guessed, average OC is a big factor. Here you prove 4770k is 17.8% faster than 2600k clock per clock in x264.

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I'd give sandy a couple hundred mhz above haswell on conventional cooling, maybe 300mhz. It's >VERY< hard to say, because i don't have any idea how sandy actually oc'd, other than i didn't actually see anyone with 5ghz oc, and i saw dozens of people at ~4.3-4.6ghz. That puts Haswell more than 10% ahead still though (300mhz lead for sb) I mostly used IPC comparison for stuff like 4770k vs 3930k, in the past
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But a  10% increase in performance is expected and not something I would even bother challenging myself. 10% vs what was being said, 20%, is TWICE the performance improvement. I don't feel a 10% increase justifies getting a new motherboard and CPU. If hyperthreaded applications takes your fancy, consider Ivy E instead then.

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Damn guys. Built my friend a PC over the weekend. It was his once in a 5 year update.

Despite my PC running 1.26v @ 4.4ghz with AVX 2, I can't even get his to boot at 1.27v @ 3.8 ghz. We are both running 4670ks. Any ideas? I am using an ASRock Pro 3 and wondering if maybe there are some tricks I don't know about.

It double sucks because I got him a Thermaltake 2.0 Extreme to do some OC to around 4ghz....
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What vcore does auto voltage give him on stock settings under x264 load? (it'll turbo to 3.8)

My chip gives ~1.08 or something like that
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I can say that stock Prime95 avx2 on auto goes to 1.32v and LinX Avx2 goes to 1.22v then crashes IMMEDIATELY, as soon as I click start pretty much. And it isn't EVER a BSOD, it literally blacks out and restarts.
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Yea well it doesn't matter what the hell prime or avx2 loads do with adaptive voltage, x264 shows the number you want, especially if your mobo is allowing your chip to wildly increase voltages like that
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Ok let me know the prog you are referring to and I will give it a go and an answer.
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