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Have no idea what the deal is. Even going up to 1.5 vcore I still can't get 4.8 ghz stable. Quite frustrating... What's the point of de'lidding I ask now... I voided my warranty for unobtainable clocks.

De-lidding won't get you a higher O/C unless you were restricted by temps with plenty of voltage headroom. Perfect example is the 4770k i've got in at the moment, it hit 90deg+ at 1.25v and the only way to keep on going was to de-lid.

Even if you can't get the O/C higher you'll be able to reduce temps thus increasing life span of the chip (providing you don't run it with high voltage 24/7)

I'd strongly advise not putting vcore up to 1.5v in bios, even taking it up to 1.5v on a multimeter is a risky business and certainly not somewhere to be for running 24/7. Just have a look through HWBot tables and there aren't many (if any?) using that high a vcore unless under cold.
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I've been trying to over clock my i7-4770k with my new custom loop for the past couple days... and it looks like I got stuck with a dud chip. Temperatures aren't the issue, the voltage required is.

Running x264 right now on my x45 multiplier clock, 1.36v VID, 1.376v Vcore, 1.90v vring, 39x uncore multi, 1.30v uncore voltage... its been running for awhile now... seems stable. Most likely going to be my 24/7 OC

Takes upwards of 1.42v to get into windows at 48x... temps not an issue.

Will keep experimenting

Looks like a not too bad of a chip.....tho I'd try and get ya uncore up to 42 to curb the performance hit.....recommendation is not to go more than 3 below CPU multi.

See the links in post # 6812 ... as I recall this issue is addressed in both
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In a nutshell - drop uncore and ram, use vrin & vcore to bring up core. Once you've taken that as far as you like/can, do the same with uncore & ram. Unless you're benching uncore won't make much of a difference. Think the guide on page 1 covers this and plenty of info in the thread. Not sure what vcore you needed for x44 but whatever it was the jump in vcore from x45-x46 will be greater than x44-x45.

if I recall correctly I only needed 1.2 for 4.4 with 44 uncore :X

i'll have to have a good read as ive never messed with ram figures before
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Looks like a not too bad of a chip.....tho I'd try and get ya uncore up to 42 to curb the performance hit.....recommendation is not to go more than 3 below CPU multi.

what happens if i set the uncore to 35x and core to 44x ?
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what happens if i set the uncore to 35x and core to 44x ?

You'd probably have an easier time getting your OC stable....
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what happens if i set the uncore to 35x and core to 44x ?

What are you trying to accomplish ?

1. If the purpose of your overclocking efforts is to get and report the highest CPU clock you can, then setting uncore (tho I'm told that Intel frowns about that term when referring to Haswell) or cache ratio to the lowest setting will get you to that goal.

2. If the goal is to make your system run programs faster, then manufacturers have warned that once the difference between CPU and cache ratio get > 3, system performance starts to suffer.... I posted the links a few pages back ......
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What are you trying to accomplish ?


2. If the goal is to make your system run programs faster, then manufacturers have warned that once the difference between CPU and cache ratio get > 3, system performance starts to suffer.... I posted the links a few pages back ......

Please stop spreading misinformation. We've proved your assumption to be incorrect over and over in the first page and in the 600+pages in this thread. Every single person that monitors this thread on a regular basis will agree with my conclusion. Many have doubted me and went off to test it themselves only to come back and agree with my results. The lowering of ring bus is the very foundation of this guide and by suggesting otherwise, you are going against my guide and everything I've tested along with the other forum members here. You are not the first and will not be the last to suggest a bottleneck with lower uncore. I don't mean to be overly harsh, but giving the wrong information to others may be detrimental to their end result.

 

If you feel you are right beyond a reasonable doubt, please come back with 5 or more benchmarks that prove what you say to be correct with screenshots for proof. I will then doublecheck your findings myself.

 

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what happens if i set the uncore to 35x and core to 44x ?

 

Please read the first page of the thread, it will answer most questions you may have.

But I will try to provide a TL;DR to your query: That is the recommended setting when you are still trying to figure out core clock overclock. Overclock core to highest you can while still maintaining stability with uncore at stock. After core is done, proceed to overclock uncore. Do not touch core when uncore is being overclocked.

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De-lidding won't get you a higher O/C unless you were restricted by temps with plenty of voltage headroom. Perfect example is the 4770k i've got in at the moment, it hit 90deg+ at 1.25v and the only way to keep on going was to de-lid.

Even if you can't get the O/C higher you'll be able to reduce temps thus increasing life span of the chip (providing you don't run it with high voltage 24/7)

I'd strongly advise not putting vcore up to 1.5v in bios, even taking it up to 1.5v on a multimeter is a risky business and certainly not somewhere to be for running 24/7. Just have a look through HWBot tables and there aren't many (if any?) using that high a vcore unless under cold.

I'll list 'when to delid' info in the guide.


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Agree, I run it at 41x @ 1.123v and its more then enough. Also I can't run higher with 47x cpu multi, not stable at higher ram speeds.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/179871



here it was 42x, but its the same at 41x, maybe 1 point less 10.36.





I also tested different cache multi from 40 to 44x (@ 4.6GHz) and watched it aida64 memory benchmark, also compared in cinebench11.5 and the best score was at ~ 41x multi. Not much difference compared to 39x though.
Edited by TheHunter - 12/16/13 at 10:21am
post #6949 of 19603
I'm at 4.5Ghz 1.2v max temp under load 70C (ambient 20C). Got some room left in her yet I think biggrin.gif.
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I'm at 4.5Ghz 1.2v max temp under load 70C (ambient 20C). Got some room left in her yet I think biggrin.gif.

Sure, try for 4.6ghz if you can! Come back if you have issues, or you have your final/close to final OC so I can chart you for statistics!

 

 

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