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Yep, those are great reasons to custom cool your CPU for sure. But those reasons alone aren't really escaping redundancy, but rather they are more a matter of aesthetics, budget and convenience. They play no role in the performance of the chip (other than longevity, as Doug said). I guess Linpack is a exception haha.

I find it interesting that having things colder makes you feel happier when you personally run such high voltage on a D14... It's not a contradiction, but it's an interesting observation.

I was referring to the OP of the Haswell delidding thread, not the Haswell overclocking thread tongue.gif

It makes perfect sense to have somebody prefer lower temps but end up with higher voltage. It just means that the person wants faster performance more than colder temps. But given the opportunity to reduce temps without any reduction in performance, I'm sure we'll all take it. Not everything about computing performance is about performance or even logic. This is why people spend time to mod cases to make them look nice, come up with "computer in a desk designs", etc. Or they name their builds. So given all that, as you said, it's not contradictory but I don't think it's even interesting, I think every single person here running a high voltage would prefer a lower temp.

Β 

In terms of temps doing chess/x264, I find the temps to be satisfactory.

Β 

On degradation again: There simply isn't enough time or samples for me to confidently point to when degradation occurs and that is no surprise. The numbers are an estimate. If there is a proven degradation already (within half a year) of going 1.4v+ I will note that in the guide.


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all my comments on the relevance of custom loops for haswell are based on the notion of degradation @ 1.4v. If you aren't backing that notion and 1.4v is fine in your eyes (thus increasing the plausible temp limit), then for sure custom cooling is going to come into the equation in terms of performance (as it will allow for higher voltages)

I'll never push my chip above 1.4v, so personally I see little relevance in CLC for a mere drop in running temp. It's not worth the cost at all. That being said, I'm not trying to state my subjective opinion as gospel; rather I was looking to gauge the OCN communities thoughts on the matter.
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all my comments on the relevance of custom loops for haswell are based on the notion of degradation @ 1.4v. If you aren't backing that notion and 1.4v is fine in your eyes (thus increasing the plausible temp limit), then for sure custom cooling is going to come into the equation in terms of performance (as it will allow for higher voltages)

I'll never push my chip above 1.4v, so personally I see little relevance in CLC for a mere drop in running temp. It's not worth the cost at all. That being said, I'm not trying to state my subjective opinion as gospel; rather I was looking to gauge the OCN communities thoughts on the matter.

Well, I've probably charted more CPU overclocks that the guy over there, but I've charted the same amount of proven degraded settings, which is zero. I don't think my estimate will be a ton better than his. But I would say, 1.4 - 1.45v is OK if you want to play there. But again, this is my opinion and when it gets to a voltage like this, having differences in opinionΒ is acceptable. If a guy comes up and warns against 1.3v or higher like it's taboo like that one guy did a while back, we automatically know it's BS, but 1.4, 1.45, it's getting up there.

Β 

In the end I'm sure each person has a different tolerance to risk. So if I say 1.4 - 1.45 is... OK... if you are willing, the reader should know we're approaching a borderline-ish here, past what we are more certain is safe but without evidence that the setting is unsafe.

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Oh, and you have the funniest avatar pictures around, lol.Β :thumbsups

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Mentioning the 45/40Β vs 45/42 is a waste of time because after a long test by me with 15 different benchmarks, it proves that a higher multiplier by one beats a higher uncore multiplier by one and due to that and various other reasons, OCing my way is the best. If I started telling people that uncore matters, I guarentee you there will be people looking for a closer to 1:1 OC again to the detriment of their performance. It's kind of a coincidence to run 15 benchmarks in a row and have them all point to the same thing, and then one guy comes in and look, new benchmark that "everybody uses" that is affected by uncore!

I'm not undermining the entire procedure and risk having people run out for 1:1 without ample reason to just let it happen, seeing as how the giant majority demonstrably favors higher core multiplier vs higher uncore multiplier. Saying it's app dependent, might as well say 47/42 is not always faster than 46/42 due to GPU bottlenecking.Β 

Uncore doesn't really matter for performance. You overclock core with uncore at stock, then overclock uncore afterwards, but never decreasing core to get higher uncore. That is that. Anybody that disagrees can start their own thread where they promote their own method.

I think you need to chill out a bit on this one man and re-read what i posted.
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I think you need to chill out a bit on this one man and re-read what i posted.

I am calm. Did not intend to show otherwise.

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Stock is x35.set it to manual x34 so it doesn't try to overclock. Set your cache voltage to 1.2 as well for now.

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I am calm. Did not intend to show otherwise.

I basically backed you up all the way whilst keeping an open mind that maybe for the very small minority of overclockers things might be different.... rolleyes.gif

Anyway, moving on....thumb.gif
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We gotta grab a beer sometime thumb.gifcheers.gifsmil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

That'll be an expensive beer with flights! biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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