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Thanks...it works now after I install it manually...now is it normal to say "Error Access is Denied" right above where your benchmark is running?

And to Darkwizzie....I crashed out pretty fast on my 4.8ghz 1.42v during x264 stressing. So would you suggest 2.0v for Eventual Input Voltage? 2.0v for Starting input voltage as well? Any other settings I should look into while I'm in the UEFI?

How fast is pretty fast? Each person has their own idea of what is stable enough, etc, etc. By my standards, you crash within' 10 loops, you've got to fix it somehow.

 

I know you probably already know this, but I guess it never hurts to triple check. Uncore is at or near stock. Vring is not some ridiculously low number. Ram is not overclocked.

Some people have been talking about LLC and how it's supposed to help the Vrin. But I've been a bit skeptical about it, and I didn't need it. But I am planning to test this in another one of my "Guide Improvement Projects".

 

You can even consider going to 2.15v Vrin. That's there I'm at. As always, don't forget you can test if you are getting more or less stable with each change in voltage. It's time consuming but sometimes it's the only way to tease out the problem. You might actually need more or less (probably more if that's the case) voltage. So if stability goes up from 2.0 to 2.15, then that's a good sign. If you then run 2.15 and 1.45v VID after that and stability increases yet again, another good sign.

 

Since you crashed "pretty fast", testing change in stability is much easier because you Bsod more.

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Seems there is a hard wall at 4.6.
My Haswell's hard wall seems to be at 4.8

I mean, I can get it to boot into Windows 7, but it eventually ends up crashing, even though temps are in the low 30s. So I roll with 4.7 no problem, and it's really the big difference from 4.6, very noticeable in game.
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My Haswell's hard wall seems to be at 4.8

I mean, I can get it to boot into Windows 7, but it eventually ends up crashing, even though temps are in the low 30s. So I roll with 4.7 no problem, and it's really the big difference from 4.6, very noticeable in game.

That's what we call a placebo effect.

I think some "walls" are simply due to not enough Vrin. And of course, nobody REALLY knows what Vrin values are safe.

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Wonderful guide, lots of information the more you dig through both the guide itself and the comments.

My results so far:

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CPU Model: 4770k
Core Multiplier: x44
CPU VID: 1.210
Vcore: 1.216
Uncore Multiplier: 39
Uncore Voltage: Auto (1.084 default)
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Stability Test: Aida64 (12 hours), x264 (without looping script, standard 8 pass run, max temp 71*c), Intel XTU Benchmark (977 marks, max temp 73*c), IBT High x10 (max temp 90*c)
Batch Number: *will update when I reseat my heatsink soon*
Ram Speed: 1600 @ 9-9-9-27
Input Voltage: Auto (1.696 default)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero

Despite the fairly extensive stress testing I've done so far (I still plan to do x264 for 20 loops for assurance), the system seems to be fairly unstable in Far Cry 3, crashing after anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours. I haven't had time for too many other games so I haven't checked out much else, but does anyone else have experience with FC3 causing instability? Or perhaps it just needs a for move volts?
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How fast is pretty fast? Each person has their own idea of what is stable enough, etc, etc. By my standards, you crash within' 10 loops, you've got to fix it somehow.

I know you probably already know this, but I guess it never hurts to triple check. Uncore is at or near stock. Vring is not some ridiculously low number. Ram is not overclocked.
Some people have been talking about LLC and how it's supposed to help the Vrin. But I've been a bit skeptical about it, and I didn't need it. But I am planning to test this in another one of my "Guide Improvement Projects".

You can even consider going to 2.15v Vrin. That's there I'm at. As always, don't forget you can test if you are getting more or less stable with each change in voltage. It's time consuming but sometimes it's the only way to tease out the problem. You might actually need more or less (probably more if that's the case) voltage. So if stability goes up from 2.0 to 2.15, then that's a good sign. If you then run 2.15 and 1.45v VID after that and stability increases yet again, another good sign.

Since you crashed "pretty fast", testing change in stability is much easier because you Bsod more.

I BSOD in 5 minutes. It was very quick..lol

Uncore is at 38x, which is stock....I don't see it being a problem...I'm not sure what Vring is, I left all voltages on auto or stock. RAM is not overclocked more than what it is rated. My G Skills are rated at 2400mhz....Yes I know this can potentially be a bottleneck....but I'd be wasting money/RAM by under clocking it. I wanna leave it at 2400mhz and try to work on other parts...if all else fails, then I can dial it back down to 4.7ghz

Well theres a setting called "Initial CPU Voltage" and "Eventual CPU Voltage". Should I leave the "Initial CPU voltage" alone for now? I'm thinking of trying 4.8ghz 1.38vcore and 2.0 VRIN, aka Eventual CPU voltage....then work my way up on vcore, 1.39 1.40 1.41, etc. Or should I just go straight to 1.42vcore and 2.0 VRIN?
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Wonderful guide, lots of information the more you dig through both the guide itself and the comments.

My results so far:

Username: brutus090
CPU Model: 4770k
Core Multiplier: x44
CPU VID: 1.210
Vcore: 1.216
Uncore Multiplier: 39
Uncore Voltage: Auto (1.084 default)
Cooling Solution: Phanteks tc14pe
Stability Test: Aida64 (12 hours), x264 (without looping script, standard 8 pass run, max temp 71*c), Intel XTU Benchmark (977 marks, max temp 73*c), IBT High x10 (max temp 90*c)
Batch Number: *will update when I reseat my heatsink soon*
Ram Speed: 1600 @ 9-9-9-27
Input Voltage: Auto (1.696 default)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero

Despite the fairly extensive stress testing I've done so far (I still plan to do x264 for 20 loops for assurance), the system seems to be fairly unstable in Far Cry 3, crashing after anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours. I haven't had time for too many other games so I haven't checked out much else, but does anyone else have experience with FC3 causing instability? Or perhaps it just needs a for move volts?

I can vouch for FC3 being pretty good at catching bad CPU OC's...it taxes the CPU pretty good!
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I don't understand this bench program at all, it drops me that .rtf

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Got a HORRIBLE chip my as my first. Had already passed the 15 day return limit by the time I finally got my PSU/Ram in from Newegg. But still worth a post to help others stay away from it like the plague. Got an Intel Tuning Plan so I might try to push it to the max to see what it can do and get a new one.

1.137v VID...Ouch!


i5 4670k - Batch 307
Base Clock 100Mhz
Host Clock 100Mhz
CPU Muli x43
Ram Multi x16
Vcore Normal (defaults to 1.2 above x40Multi)
Vcore Offset +.065 (for a total of 1.265 under load) - Hits 1.323v when benching with P95/IBT
Ram 1.500v
Ram Speed 1600Mhz
Ram Timing 8-8-8-24
Internal Graphics Disabled
Uncore Multi x38 (will not go over x38 even with 1.2v Ring)
Vring 1.135v
Vrin 1.800v (default)
LLC Extreme

H100i on max fans(benching) and runs very toasty. 92*C on the package and cores.
24/7 Stable. Pass IBT Max, Prime95 and ETU and tons of hours of daily stuff and games.



Got a second for my other PC. Luckily it has a 1.008v VID. Batch 3315B354 thumb.gif
I'll see how it does and post some results on that one too.
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I BSOD in 5 minutes. It was very quick..lol

Uncore is at 38x, which is stock....I don't see it being a problem...I'm not sure what Vring is, I left all voltages on auto or stock. RAM is not overclocked more than what it is rated. My G Skills are rated at 2400mhz....Yes I know this can potentially be a bottleneck....but I'd be wasting money/RAM by under clocking it. I wanna leave it at 2400mhz and try to work on other parts...if all else fails, then I can dial it back down to 4.7ghz

Well theres a setting called "Initial CPU Voltage" and "Eventual CPU Voltage". Should I leave the "Initial CPU voltage" alone for now? I'm thinking of trying 4.8ghz 1.38vcore and 2.0 VRIN, aka Eventual CPU voltage....then work my way up on vcore, 1.39 1.40 1.41, etc. Or should I just go straight to 1.42vcore and 2.0 VRIN?

5 minutes is a definate no-go in terms of useable stability.

I don't think initial CPU voltage will make things worse, but I don't think it'll help, but it might be worth a try just in case.

Yeah, go straight to 2.0. I'm at 2.15 after all. If you have time, try to figure out if you're getting more or less stable going 1.9 to 2.0 to 2.15v Vrin.

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I noticed that now my temps are a bit cooler when running x264 and XTU. I was above 80C but now I am in the low 70s with max being 74C when running these tests for an extended period of time. The only thing I changed was lower the uncore to stock instead of having it at 40x.

I think I am going to keep it at this since I prefer to run my system a bit cooler. Now I need to play some games to see if this is really stable. Don't have FC3 or BF4 but hopefully Bioshock Infinite and Batman AO are good tests.
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