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Haswell does not have an LLC setting for vcore, only for vrin

this will be fun rolleyes.gif first rog bios I've ever used and a complete new chip.
  
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Exactly tongue.gif far from stable but doable.
Putting the chip at 1.35 and it not booting would just make it worse, either that 4.4ghz wall or just not a great chip.
I did skip from 1.310 to 1.350 as I mentioned so who knows smile.gif Maybe it boots at 1.320 maybe I have room to get it stable under 1.35 with the proper LLC settings
The overclock standard does bother me, if a chip can hit 1ghz overclock past stock it's good to me. If it requires unbearable voltage like 1.5 to hit that 4.5ghz that's a whole other story. Especially with those 5ghz 1.2v lottery chips frown.giffrown.gif

Hopefully I can find nice settings to stabilize 4.5ghz will have to see with water and consider delidding, I'll post some actual stats when I end up testing this chip :0

Don't forget, delidding comes when you're temperature limited and not voltage (degradation) limited. Temperature limitation is 50% decided by what stress test you run.

 

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Well minerd lasted 30min, now I'm looking at another bsod error 101 frown.gif.. Guess it's time to raise vcin by another notch.

There are general guidelines. But I can't make a rule up with good conscience when I have not extensively tested it. The problem there being, I'd need a good 5-10 chips and closely test their Vrin requirement at high Vcore. Even then it's a guideline.

 

The way I figured out a Vrin increase from 2.0 (@1.42v) was in order was by running a time-intensive battery of tests. What I did was I ran x264 until I BSODded 5 times. I recoreded the time til' Bsod and averaged them out. Changed the Vrin to a higher value (1.85, 1.95, 2.05, 2.15) and then compared the average time til' bsod. In my case, increasing Vrin by 0.1v each time demonstrated without a doubt an increase in maximum, minimum, and average time until Bsod.

The closer you are to stability the longer this test will take as it will take longer to Bsod each time for the testing. But by the time I tested 2.05v the trend was clear enough for me to get the hint.

 

But can I guarentee it will work like this for you? No.

Plus, IIRC your Vcore is lower than mine.

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this will be fun rolleyes.gif first rog bios I've ever used and a complete new chip.
ROG Bios is relatively confusing from what I've heard. MSI bios makes it nice and easy.

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I'm set at 1.320v, at load it's showing up as 1.344v (Using CPUID HWMonitor)

VRIN is at 1.96v right now, and as you said there looks to be a building trend of my BSOD being less frequent in MinerD. I was unable to find out what kind of instruction sets MinerD is doing, so I don't really know what kind of stress it's putting on my CPU frown.gif
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I'm set at 1.320v, at load it's showing up as 1.344v (Using CPUID HWMonitor)

VRIN is at 1.96v right now, and as you said there looks to be a building trend of my BSOD being less frequent in MinerD. I was unable to find out what kind of instruction sets MinerD is doing, so I don't really know what kind of stress it's putting on my CPU frown.gif

Computer assistance  I think, is something that often is more efficient if done IRL, you know what I mean? Anyways...

 

So assuming for now, that all your other settings are fine... You're really just left with Vcore and Vrin. And if you find out that the stability isn't increasing with higher Vcore, then Vcore by itself can't be the solution. But it's easier if you time the tests. I know, it's annoying and stuff. Up to you and no guarentees. If Vrin increase means stability increase, then you're on to something. If your stability plateaus, then maybe you need a combination of Vrin and Vcore increase. But you might not get to that point because you'd most likely be hitting 2.15v by then and I think I have one of the highest input voltages on my chart and I can't give you any real data on safety for input voltage past that point because nobody has done it.

So maybe you can raise input voltage to 2v flat, and then increase Vcore a bit. And if no combination of Vcore or Vrin nets you the stability you need, then you can try 2.15v as a last ditch effort. But by then your CPU would take the new crown as being the most Vrin hungry chip I've seen in over a hundred chips. So... I mean, unless we're missing something in your other settings. (TBH I didn't pay too much attention to your other settings, attention is spread out from maintaining the thread etc etc). But I think Cyro can do a good job in place of me.

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Don't forget, delidding comes when you're temperature limited and not voltage (degradation) limited. Temperature limitation is 50% decided by what stress test you run. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
There are general guidelines. But I can't make a rule up with good conscience when I have not extensively tested it. The problem there being, I'd need a good 5-10 chips and closely test their Vrin requirement at high Vcore. Even then it's a guideline.

The way I figured out a Vrin increase from 2.0 (@1.42v) was in order was by running a time-intensive battery of tests. What I did was I ran x264 until I BSODded 5 times. I recoreded the time til' Bsod and averaged them out. Changed the Vrin to a higher value (1.85, 1.95, 2.05, 2.15) and then compared the average time til' bsod. In my case, increasing Vrin by 0.1v each time demonstrated without a doubt an increase in maximum, minimum, and average time until Bsod.


The closer you are to stability the longer this test will take as it will take longer to Bsod each time for the testing. But by the time I tested 2.05v the trend was clear enough for me to get the hint.

But can I guarentee it will work like this for you? No.
Plus, IIRC your Vcore is lower than mine.

Not at all! Delidd comes when I get the balls to not care about the chips warranty biggrin.gif
Don't get me started, sure ROG has all these great functions, I am just used to the simple MSI/GIGABYTE bios biggrin.gif ROG bios is just so much it's overwhelming

Can't say I'm that anxious on starting to test for OC on this chip. The settings will truly be a pain, with the temps i'm getting now on stock cooler idle 0.7v at 800mhz I don't think water will be enough for me frown.gif this chips gonna meet the vice, it will respect the hammer biggrin.gif
  
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I get what you mean, I do IT Support as a profession. Enterprise wide systems support, however we deal in pre-built Dell boxes and RMA them if they have any crazy hardware problems tongue.gif. Anything beyond a little fix isn't worth the time with the amount of systems we deal with.

Just hit the 30min mark on MinerD again, no BSOD YET! *hold breath*. Based on previous vrin increases, I expect this thing to BSOD within 10 to 20 mins. I have a timer going each time to track the duration. Trying to do things scientifically as you mentioned.

My other settings are straight forward enough, I set BIOS defaults, and then set XMP profile BUT I dropped the automated 1866mhz down to 1600mhz for testing purposes. I kept the XMP timings on the ram. Next up I switched the multiplier, sync'd to all cores to 34x. Then I set vcore to 1.32v (system sees it as 1.319v). Powered up in stress tests the voltage is seen as 1.344v. After that, all I have been doing is gradually upping the vrin, and it's now at 1.96v.

This is my current CPUID read out, alongside MinerD doing it's thing: http://i.imgur.com/marHDiE.png

Thanks for your ongoing support, I want to get to the bottom of this mystery!

Edit: Fixed voltage numbers, messed up original post.
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Does 2.0 VRIN increase CPU core temps?
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Just try 2.0 like i said, 1.95 was insufficient for me @1.34vcore set but 2.0 seemed/seems to work fine
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Does 2.0 VRIN increase CPU core temps?

I don't believe so.

Hey dark, go test 1.2vcore, 1.7vrin vs 1.2vcore, 2.0 vrin tongue.gif
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Does 2.0 VRIN increase CPU core temps?

Yes, but only slightly.
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Yes, but only slightly.

If you've done scientific tests; can we see them?

If not, i don't think there's that much reason to believe temps are significantly changed

Either way it probably doesn't matter as there seems to be little reason to use more VRIN than you need, and it's impossible to use less VRIN than you need
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