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I see the exact same behavior in HWMonitor on my Z87-Pro. Certain core voltages read the same in HWMonitor (max load value). However, I get an increased stability if I raise the vcore even if the value reported in HWMonitor doesn't change. The value reported by CPUID always changes however.

Sounds like it may be an Asus thing then. Anyone with a MSI care to check into it?
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Lowering uncore to stock and ram to nonxmp still gave me 9c errors. Ran chess for like 5 hours today, no bsod... once I went from 4.6 to 4.5ghz on the core clock.

 

It's so sad, really.

I've been nolifing Crysis 3 multiplayer, got zero bsods, I do chess, BSODDDDDDDD!

 

For the BIOS I entered a whopping 1.44v and I get "9c" bsod... used to be the vcore bsod. Am I moving up? Lol.

 

 

Forceman: I have MSI motherboard, I'll read more closely my own thread after I'm all settled down from work. :p


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Sounds like it may be an Asus thing then. Anyone with a MSI care to check into it?

I really don't care about my results in the chart, I have always known that something was weird with that value. It would be very aggravating knowing that I made several small changes (0.005 at a time) to my core in BIOS only to find out that it is fixed at tiered voltages down the road. But the small changes seemed to make a difference stability wise and temp wise too, so something weird is going on. I hope Asus responds because I don't have a lot of faith in getting a response from Intel. Likely a pre packaged one like, "thank you for taking the time to address us with your concerns but we can't comment on using our products beyond the OEM standards etc etc."
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Yep LLC is at auto. Literally the only things I've changed in BIOS to this point are the multi, vcore and selected the XMP profile for my ram (2400Mhz).

You think I should play around with LLC or any other voltages to get Prime stable?

Temp in AIDA (FPU Only) maxed at 92C which was the highest I saw from any test. IBT/Prime was around 86-88C Max from what I recall (I'm at work at the moment). With everything checked for the AIDA stability test it was lower than that, maybe 83C but I don't have my notes at the moment so don't quote me on that.

Uhh... what about uncore?

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I don't think people see the fact that when temps go past 80C, they're in a zone where instability is imminent. So why even go so crazy on the 'VCore' if the chip isn't even a good overclocker?

Prime95 and HWmonitor are literally the least reliable programs that anyone can use for checking and yet every other guy on OCN and every other forum uses it for their own self satisfaction.

I guess this is a never ending agenda.
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Uhh... what about uncore?

Just trying to dial in my clockspeed before I touch uncore and fine tune that. That's the best way to go right?

Having said that, my MSI board automatically changes uncore to 39x when I upped to 4.5Ghz.
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I also have this theory that haswell is sensitive to heat, in a sense that it wont damage it but it has a very huge impact on stability and will require more volts to be stable instead thus.. more heat is generated.
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Just trying to dial in my clockspeed before I touch uncore and fine tune that. That's the best way to go right?

Having said that, my MSI board automatically changes uncore to 39x when I upped to 4.5Ghz.

See, the motherboard is moving the uncore as well. I think it's good practice to lower it to stock manually.

 

 

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I also have this theory that haswell is sensitive to heat, in a sense that it wont damage it but it has a very huge impact on stability and will require more volts to be stable instead thus.. more heat is generated.
I dunno, thermals are not a problem for me typically, except for when I was cranking up the volts to try to get to 4.7.

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See, the motherboard is moving the uncore as well. I think it's good practice to lower it to stock manually. There are motherboards that don't touch uncore at all at auto but telling people to set it to stock manually fixes all those issues in case some people didn't notice the uncore overclock.

Thanks. It didn't actually cross my mind to do tha and must have missed it in your initial post.

I'll try that and see what it does to my stability, but basically what your saying is that with the uncore automatically set to 39x the ring bus voltage on auto may not be sufficient?

Also I've been using the Turbo Ratio for my overclocking this far since this is what I'm used to from my 2600K. Whats' the difference/benefit compared to just using core multiplier?
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Thanks. It didn't actually cross my mind to do tha and must have missed it in your initial post.

I'll try that and see what it does to my stability, but basically what your saying is that with the uncore automatically set to 39x the ring bus voltage on auto may not be sufficient?

Also I've been using the Turbo Ratio for my overclocking this far since this is what I'm used to from my 2600K. Whats' the difference/benefit compared to just using core multiplier?

It really depends on the motherboard. If I had to guess, I would guess yes, it would be enough. Then again, this IS auto-overclocking and we all know auto-overclocking isn't the way to go. Keep in mind when you're overclocking both uncore and core, you're changing 4 variables... Cpu cote multiplier and voltage, uncore multiplier and voltage. Best to lower that amount. Not only could your computer crash when insufficient voltage is applied to your uncore, simply by having a higher uncore you may be restrained in the core overclock you can acheive.

 

Having said that, 39x or lower I would think it's not high enough to screw everything up, but again, there's really nothing to lose by lowering it to stock, one less thing to worry about during a crash.

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7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
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Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
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XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
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14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
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Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
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Corsair Air 540 Logitech G Pro Tek Syndicate "Raze the World" Desk Mat O2 + Odac by Mayflower Electronics (Rev A) 
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Sennheiser HD 800 2xKrk Rokit 6 G2 Blue Yeti (Grey) Rode PSA-1 Arm 
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Aquaero 6 LT + Aluminum Heatsink 
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i5 6600k Delid @ 4.848/4.848 Asus z170 Hero MSI GTX 980ti @ 1499/4082 1.25v/134% Power 2 x 8gb Gskills Ripjaws V 3131 16-16-16-32 
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Samsung Pro Series 840 256gb (Celapaleis) 1 TB Samsung Drive (Pack Yak) Samsung Pro Series 850 256gb (Celapaleis Reprise) Phoenix Down (External Backup) 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Noctua D14 Kraken x61 Push-Pull for GPU Windows 10 Pro Catleap 2560x1440 @ 60hz 
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CM Storm Trigger Brown Switches EVGA Supernova 1000w P2 Corsair 540 Air Razer Abyssus 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries QcK Mini Blue Yeti Microphone Objective Dac + Amp Sescom AB Switch 
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Krk Rokit 6 G2 x2 Radioshack Ground Loop Isolator (For Rokits) Wooaudio Aluminum Headphone Stand Sennheiser HD 800 
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Logitech c920 Webcam NZXT Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller 
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