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What is unsafe vcore anyway? And other unsafe voltages? I can't really afford another 4670k so I want to make sure I'm not killing it.
i would tell you but I'm still on the hunt for Haswell's max VID's

seems I'm doing something very wrong to find this simple info
  
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may see degradation

I've never read more frightening words in my life
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Ya I noticed it definitely lags, but I'm okay with it. I just hate doing my internet browsing on my phone....it's so slow and inconvenient on a smartphone versus a desktop with m/kb.

I just wanted to know if doing other things would "interfere" with x264 being able to catch bad OCs. I really like Prime95 Blend because I can leave it running and still do my daily tasks....it's just Prime95 is so taxing on non delidded Haswell.

Welcome to my world. Just let x264 run 20 loops in peace. Of course it will lag your PC, it's eating up most of the CPU to encode the file. Stay off the PC or deal with the lag. Run the 20 loops overnight!
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i would tell you but I'm still on the hunt for Haswell's max VID's

seems I'm doing something very wrong to find this simple info

Max VID doesn't really mean anything anyway. Sandy/Ivy max was 1.52V, but that doesn't mean it is safe to run them at that voltage.
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Max VID doesn't exist. You can only know at about what point CPUs experience degredation after some number of years statistically. That is obviously super hard to figure out. It was never simple.

 

How do you know what causes CPU death without killing CPUS?
How do you know what causes degradation without degrading multiple CPUs across different voltages and time scales?


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When I changed my BLCK to 100.1 I couldn't get stable with 4.6GHz When I went back to 100.00 I was stable again.

Did you try my sets?

Well, BLCK rocks man, EVERYTHING is much livelier

I mean just browsing firefox the pages come up SUPER quick, everything is zipping HArd, really kickass

Another subject about me being cooler at 4.7 GHz vs 4.6 GHz is that I'd forgotten that I'd changed the mobo this morning. I went to the store, came back, then put on the Heat Shields (little plastic pieces that come with the board to stick in any unused slot, and maybe, that application of those (had them all along but didn't know what they were for, but it was recommended to put them on there "especially if you're overclocking" said the kid in the specialized comp store. I just don't think that that'd lower my temps 7-8 degrees, or would it?
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Max VID doesn't really mean anything anyway. Sandy/Ivy max was 1.52V, but that doesn't mean it is safe to run them at that voltage.
I know tongue.gif I am not implying it's safe, I wanted to find out the Max VID spec'd by intel. Gives us a good idea of that voltage range. Obviously if max vid is 1.52 does not mean running 1.51 is as safe as 1.20
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Max VID doesn't exist. You can only know at about what point CPUs experience degredation after some number of years statistically. That is obviously super hard to figure out. It was never simple.

How do you know what causes CPU death without killing CPUS?

How do you know what causes degradation without degrading multiple CPUs across different voltages and time scales?

I understand your logic, but some its foolish to say a MAX VID doesn't exist
If this was the case, why doesn't everyone just get a nice cooling system and run 1.9v 24/7 smile.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/665362/vid-voltage-identification-explained pretty good summary of why knowing VID is useful
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well i recently overclocked my cpu and as you mentioned in the thread to put the uncore cache ratio to manual as the default, which is 34, 34 for me because my cpu is i5 4670k. now everything went alright and my cpu passed a 12 hour stress of prime 95 at 4.3ghz with 1.2V(seems fishy) now what throws me off, is in cpu-z and ai suite 3 it says my frequency is 8 x 43 which equals to 3440 mhz(***???) now i looked in the bios and the frequence is at 100mhz manual while having adjustment frequency to AUTO(it said in the description that it goes from 80mhz-300mhz which is where i think its getting it from, setting it to the lowest..) I am also attaching a picture so you guys can see for yourself, but the funny thing is when i was running prime 95 or anything else it said its running in 4.3ghz both task manager and cpu z.

this is the picture showing cpu-z and ai suite 3 http://imgur.com/v3Vpuj8

im so confused D:
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If this was the case, why doesn't everyone just get a nice cooling system and run 1.9v 24/7 smile.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/665362/vid-voltage-identification-explained pretty good summary of why knowing VID is useful

For the first part, because your temps would be too hot. I don't care about vcore at all, it's the temps that matter, I ran my SB >1.5v (hell I did that dumb 12hour Prime job @ 1.54v from memory, it's in the list there) and it did fine because the temps were under control.

On the second part, I don't see what use it has. Sure, get your stock VID and then understand it means nothing. Mine is 1.04v, not the best but certainly not bad - doesn't mean my chip is great once I start throwing volts at it.
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this is the picture showing cpu-z and ai suite 3 http://imgur.com/v3Vpuj8

im so confused D:

Just ignore AI SUITE, when I bought my first ASUS board (Z68) I played around with it, figured it's useless and temps were inaccurate and ever since then have ignored it. Just use HWInfo, seems to be the most accurate.
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For the first part, because your temps would be too hot. I don't care about vcore at all, it's the temps that matter, I ran my SB >1.5v (hell I did that dumb 12hour Prime job @ 1.54v from memory, it's in the list there) and it did fine because the temps were under control.

On the second part, I don't see what use it has. Sure, get your stock VID and then understand it means nothing. Mine is 1.04v, not the best but certainly not bad - doesn't mean my chip is great once I start throwing volts at it.
Just ignore AI SUITE, when I bought my first ASUS board (Z68) I played around with it, figured it's useless and temps were inaccurate and ever since then have ignored it. Just use HWInfo, seems to be the most accurate.

Yeah the temps are definitely retarded in ai suite but i use it for controlling the fans.. anyways i did check up with hwinfo and it is saying that my max uncore cache is 34(which makes sense cuz that is what i put it as) but it says the cpu turbo is at 4.3ghz so is this even an overclock or..not? im confused because i have read threads where people said to leave uncore cache as auto or make it around 300mhz less than the overclock, but this thread says to put it at the stock.
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