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You stole frickfrock's profile pic... How could you?

he said no one would dare to do so. i feel this was the only logical response.
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he said no one would dare to do so. i feel this was the only logical response.

May the wrath of @frickfrock999 be bestowed upon you.
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May the wrath of @frickfrock999 be bestowed upon you.

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Ok been stable at 1.36 volts and 4.5 for a month now get 124 bsod in BF4 ? I hate BF4 ran aram 3 all day and night no bsod go figure:o
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Ok been stable at 1.36 volts and 4.5 for a month now get 124 bsod in BF4 ? I hate BF4 ran aram 3 all day and night no bsod go figure:o

The problem is you're using Betafield 4, buggy as hell
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I know tongue.gif I am not implying it's safe, I wanted to find out the Max VID spec'd by intel. Gives us a good idea of that voltage range. Obviously if max vid is 1.52 does not mean running 1.51 is as safe as 1.20
I understand your logic, but some its foolish to say a MAX VID doesn't exist
If this was the case, why doesn't everyone just get a nice cooling system and run 1.9v 24/7 smile.gif
http://www.overclock.net/t/665362/vid-voltage-identification-explained pretty good summary of why knowing VID is useful

 

You said max vid. Not a range of VID, but a single VID that is somehow "max". What does max even mean? Max as in, if you go over, CPU dies tomorrow, dies right now, dies next year, dies three years from now? There is no one voltage that exists for every single CPU where going over causes certain death but before that is fine. Some CPUs can take more voltage than others, some run faster than others. All that is possible is to draw statistics from instances of people's borked CPUs. From there we can give an estimate of what ranges are safe, which are somewhat risky and which are deadly.

 

Intel's words are not law... their official rep on Newegg recommends 1.2v or lower for overclocks. Unless Intel decides to test their own chips by subjecting it to a variety of voltages from 1.3 to 1.6v, where they then begin to use the CPUs like a normal person would, to test at what point degradation or CPU death sets in from a range of 1 day to 5 years, Intel did not do sufficient testing to put out a figure that is not at some level a guess. Rather, I think they draw their number elsewhere.

 

For the purposes of writing a guide and giving out info that helps people, what's important is to know what voltage range is at risk for degradation under heavy use 3 years down the line, and which causes death. If max VID is 1.51v, then what happens if I use 1.50v and my CPU dies or degrades? Exactly, 1.51v is also an estimate. If 1.51v causes death, death at what time? And at what exact point do all CPUs never degrade under 24/7 use? I'm sure you agree, it's not one point but a range of values. What if I told everybody that at 1.51v the CPU explodes? Even if that's true, that doesn't help people decide what voltage to use. They'll know not to use 1.51v, but they have no idea what voltage is prone to degradation and what is super safe, etc. I think just saying some value is the "max" VID is not really that useful.

The best we can do is to continue to collect data and to monitor a thread like this one for people that come back complaining about CPU degradation, and keep an eye out for claims of CPU death. Only way to be sure is to collect data.

 

I want analysis and data meng. Data! :drool:

 

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he said no one would dare to do so. i feel this was the only logical response.

Can I take your old avatar now?

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You said max vid. Not a range of VID, but a single VID that is somehow "max". What does max even mean? Max as in, if you go over, CPU dies tomorrow, dies right now, dies next year, dies three years from now? There is no one voltage that exists for every single CPU where going over causes certain death but before that is fine. Some CPUs can take more voltage than others, some run faster than others. All that is possible is to draw statistics from instances of people's borked CPUs. From there we can give an estimate of what ranges are safe, which are somewhat risky and which are deadly.

Intel's words are not law... their official rep on Newegg recommends 1.2v or lower for overclocks. Unless Intel decides to test their own chips by subjecting it to a variety of voltages from 1.3 to 1.6v, where they then begin to use the CPUs like a normal person would, to test at what point degradation or CPU death sets in from a range of 1 day to 5 years, Intel did not do sufficient testing to put out a figure that is not at some level a guess. Rather, I think they draw their number elsewhere.

For the purposes of writing a guide and giving out info that helps people, what's important is to know what voltage range is at risk for degradation under heavy use 3 years down the line, and which causes death. If max VID is 1.51v, then what happens if I use 1.50v and my CPU dies or degrades? Exactly, 1.51v is also an estimate. If 1.51v causes death, death at what time? And at what exact point do all CPUs never degrade under 24/7 use? I'm sure you agree, it's not one point but a range of values.


The best we can do is to continue to collect data and to monitor a thread like this one for people that come back complaining about CPU degradation, and keep an eye out for claims of CPU death. Only way to be sure is to collect data.


 
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Max as in when you go over the given VID you know 100% you are degrading your chip faster than staying under the acceptable range.
These chips aren't hand made friend, they all fall within a general range of vcore that either degrades at x% or doesn't.

You don't do random tests to figure out what ranges are actually deadly for your chip, you do realize what a VID is for right? Overclocking is already a risk, when you want to go 24/7 over MAX VID sure not all chips will degrade the same or die, but you need to understand that it IS an accelerated rate of death

Obviously intel's words aren't law, and obviously they give you this type of information for a reason. If the max VID on chip is v1.52 SURE you can go 1.6v, as long as you understand you are now past that "general safe" zone of overclocking with minimal degradation

Yes sure, there is that small range, but the max I was talking about and stating is most people have common sense that 1.50 is pretty close to 1.51 and by running at that high voltage you are closer to an accelerated degradation than you are staying further from the voltage.
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You said max vid. Not a range of VID, but a single VID that is somehow "max". What does max even mean? Max as in, if you go over, CPU dies tomorrow, dies right now, dies next year, dies three years from now? There is no one voltage that exists for every single CPU where going over causes certain death but before that is fine. Some CPUs can take more voltage than others, some run faster than others. All that is possible is to draw statistics from instances of people's borked CPUs. From there we can give an estimate of what ranges are safe, which are somewhat risky and which are deadly.

Intel's words are not law... their official rep on Newegg recommends 1.2v or lower for overclocks. Unless Intel decides to test their own chips by subjecting it to a variety of voltages from 1.3 to 1.6v, where they then begin to use the CPUs like a normal person would, to test at what point degradation or CPU death sets in from a range of 1 day to 5 years, Intel did not do sufficient testing to put out a figure that is not at some level a guess. Rather, I think they draw their number elsewhere.

For the purposes of writing a guide and giving out info that helps people, what's important is to know what voltage range is at risk for degradation under heavy use 3 years down the line, and which causes death. If max VID is 1.51v, then what happens if I use 1.50v and my CPU dies or degrades? Exactly, 1.51v is also an estimate. If 1.51v causes death, death at what time? And at what exact point do all CPUs never degrade under 24/7 use? I'm sure you agree, it's not one point but a range of values. What if I told everybody that at 1.51v the CPU explodes? Even if that's true, that doesn't help people decide what voltage to use. They'll know not to use 1.51v, but they have no idea what voltage is prone to degradation and what is super safe, etc. I think just saying some value is the "max" VID is not really that useful.


The best we can do is to continue to collect data and to monitor a thread like this one for people that come back complaining about CPU degradation, and keep an eye out for claims of CPU death. Only way to be sure is to collect data.

I want analysis and data meng. Data! drool.gif


 
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You have balls the size of Jupiter. yessir.gif  
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Max as in when you go over the given VID you know 100% you are degrading your chip faster than staying under the acceptable range.
These chips aren't hand made friend, they all fall within a general range of vcore that either degrades at x% or doesn't.

You don't do random tests to figure out what ranges are actually deadly for your chip, you do realize what a VID is for right? Overclocking is already a risk, when you want to go 24/7 over MAX VID sure not all chips will degrade the same or die, but you need to understand that it IS an accelerated rate of death

Obviously intel's words aren't law, and obviously they give you this type of information for a reason. If the max VID on chip is v1.52 SURE you can go 1.6v, as long as you understand you are now past that "general safe" zone of overclocking with minimal degradation

Yes sure, there is that small range, but the max I was talking about and stating is most people have common sense that 1.50 is pretty close to 1.51 and by running at that high voltage you are closer to an accelerated degradation than you are staying further from the voltage.

 

I'd like to make a few points:

-Everybody is already under the impression that 1.5v and higher is asking for a degradation trip. I sorta feel that if the number were 1.55 or 1.6 or 1.51, it won't really change the perception of the people that overclock. Quite a few people would argue (regardless of whether they are right or wrong) that 1.5v is already asking for CPU death. I'm not sure how minimal is minimal degradation, it seems vague to me. 

 

-Everything dies eventually. Overclocking increases the rate, but by how much? Without any statistic, the idea is meaningless.

 

-Yes, the large majority of us will agree that 1.5v and higher is not that safe. But imagine if you are thinking of hitting 1.42v like me... Is 1.42v far enough from 1.51 so that it's relatively safe? Imagine if we could tell statistically, the probability of CPU degradation at a given voltage X number of years down the road. That would be amazing and we could be so much more informed about our risks. How far from 1.5v is safe enough? We're going off of our guesses. 

 

-Yes, Intel's number is a figure just like my figure and other people's figure, a range or estimated voltage in which your CPU isn't 'safe enough'. I can't exactly say my figure is much better than Intel's. We're just pulling out numbers. Somewhat educated guesses. But imagine if we could manage to get data from thousands of dead or degraded chips. That would let us put out data and voltage guidelines that are so much more accurate!

Just....wow.

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The problem is you're using Betafield 4, buggy as hell
no..... it''s the overclock that's causing a bsod not the game
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