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I was under the impression that all the voltage regulation happened on the chip and our LLC on motherboards was almost useless. I had also watched that JJ video talking about LLC on a ROG board and he mentioned to either use 1 but leave to auto since it made no difference.

LLC won't change vcore for a low overclock. It's not really important for a "meh" ~1.2 or ~1.25vcore OC - as you can do lots of things wrong or suboptimally and they will still work.

LLC is applied to the VRIN, which is the voltage and power supplied from the motherboard to the chip - before the integrated voltage regulator handles it. Just as LLC was required on vcore for a high OC, LLC is required now on VRIN, as the weak link of power supplied from mobo to cpu is still there - it's just on VRIN now instead of vcore.

You could use 2.2vrin without llc or 1.9/2.0vrin with llc for example - there's clearly a superior option. No reason to run 2.2vrin through your chip with no load 24/7 just so that it won't crash when you load it and that voltage droops a lot.
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Here's my info. I didn't see a link for a form on the OP so I hope this is acceptable!

Username: DarkReign32
CPU Model: i5 4670K
Core Multiplier: 46
CPU VID: 1.232 V
Vcore: 1.240 V - running Aida64
Uncore Multiplier: 34
Uncore Voltage: 1.15 V
Cooling Solution: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme - P/P
Stability Test: Aida64 - 6 hours
Batch Number: 331 Costa Rica
Ram Speed: 2400 MHz 10-10-12-31
Input Voltage: Auto - 1.774
LLC Setting: Auto
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

http://valid.canardpc.com/dg3203

I've been able to get it to 4.7 on ~1.26 V. I was only able to test with Aida64 for an hour. I've been trying to get it to 4.8 but the voltage is pushing past 1.31 V.
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4.6 @ 1.24

i don't even...





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Originally Posted by DarkReign32 View Post

Here's my info. I didn't see a link for a form on the OP so I hope this is acceptable!

Username: DarkReign32
CPU Model: i5 4670K
Core Multiplier: 46
CPU VID: 1.232 V
Vcore: 1.240 V - running Aida64
Uncore Multiplier: 34
Uncore Voltage: 1.15 V
Cooling Solution: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme - P/P
Stability Test: Aida64 - 6 hours
Batch Number: 331 Costa Rica
Ram Speed: 2400 MHz 10-10-12-31
Input Voltage: Auto - 1.774
LLC Setting: Auto
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

http://valid.canardpc.com/dg3203

I've been able to get it to 4.7 on ~1.26 V. I was only able to test with Aida64 for an hour. I've been trying to get it to 4.8 but the voltage is pushing past 1.31 V.

There's nothing wrong with going past 1.3v - I'm currently running 1.43v....Darkwizzie is running 1.42, so you could probably get to 5.0ghz with that chip.... biggrin.gif
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4.6 @ 1.24

i don't even...





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Believe me I feel incredibly lucky. I just built my friends 4770k rig. Poor guy got a crap chip. I couldn't run 4.3 GHz on anything less than 1.3V. mad.gif
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There's nothing wrong with going past 1.3v - I'm currently running 1.43v....Darkwizzie is running 1.42, so you could probably get to 5.0ghz with that chip.... biggrin.gif

drool.gif 5.0 GHz...the holy grail. I have a feeling I can get there but I'm just worried lol. Mind you while running at 4.8 with 1.31V on load I was hitting 81C so I do have the thermal headroom. Maybe I'll play around a bit more tomorrow. After I've finished with my friends computer.
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Believe me I feel incredibly lucky. I just built my friends 4770k rig. Poor guy got a crap chip. I couldn't run 4.3 GHz on anything less than 1.3V. mad.gif
drool.gif 5.0 GHz...the holy grail. I have a feeling I can get there but I'm just worried lol. Mind you while running at 4.8 with 1.31V on load I was hitting 81C so I do have the thermal headroom. Maybe I'll play around a bit more tomorrow. After I've finished with my friends computer.

Sounds like it's time for you delid that monster then, since your only limitation is temps....thumbsupsmiley.png

http://www.overclock.net/t/1397672/deliding-a-4770k-haswell-improving-temperatures-and-maximizing-overclockablity
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Sounds like it's time for you delid that monster then, since your only limitation is temps....thumbsupsmiley.png

http://www.overclock.net/t/1397672/deliding-a-4770k-haswell-improving-temperatures-and-maximizing-overclockablity

My friends 4770K or my 4670K? I've been contemplating it but I'm scared I'll destroy it. Mind you...that does give me a half-way decent excuse to buy a 4770K. biggrin.gif
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Link to the delid club as well as that one if not instead of - it has god knows how many posts, delidders etc from long before haswell! biggrin.gif

Darkreign you should manually set vrin/vccin to ~1.95 with max llc when pushing your 4.8 @ ~1.31vcore and increase if neccesary.

With uncore/cache set to 33x@1.15v, your main BSOD's should be 9c/124 - Vcore : 101 = VRIN.

101 can also be vcore, so see if it's combined with 9c or 124 by failing a few times. If it's not, try 2.05 VRIN.

Don't be afraid of below 1.35vcore
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Originally Posted by DarkReign32 View Post

Here's my info. I didn't see a link for a form on the OP so I hope this is acceptable!

Username: DarkReign32
CPU Model: i5 4670K
Core Multiplier: 46
CPU VID: 1.232 V
Vcore: 1.240 V - running Aida64
Uncore Multiplier: 34
Uncore Voltage: 1.15 V
Cooling Solution: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme - P/P
Stability Test: Aida64 - 6 hours
Batch Number: 331 Costa Rica
Ram Speed: 2400 MHz 10-10-12-31
Input Voltage: Auto - 1.774
LLC Setting: Auto
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

http://valid.canardpc.com/dg3203

I've been able to get it to 4.7 on ~1.26 V. I was only able to test with Aida64 for an hour. I've been trying to get it to 4.8 but the voltage is pushing past 1.31 V.

You have been charted, thanks.

 

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Believe me I feel incredibly lucky. I just built my friends 4770k rig. Poor guy got a crap chip. I couldn't run 4.3 GHz on anything less than 1.3V. mad.gif
drool.gif 5.0 GHz...the holy grail. I have a feeling I can get there but I'm just worried lol. Mind you while running at 4.8 with 1.31V on load I was hitting 81C so I do have the thermal headroom. Maybe I'll play around a bit more tomorrow. After I've finished with my friends computer.

Well you have three options:

 

1. Delid

2. Bypass thermal barrier by ditching Aida and using x264 instead [Somewhat of a solution unless your 81C is from Prime, in which case this option is very effective]

3. Stay where you are. 

 

Are you using Aida full test or Aida FPU only? 81C on a normal full run of Aida64 is a high temperature. I got 60C for full suite of Aida test run @ 1.25v. FPU only went to 70C for me. Either way you can squeeze probably 5-10C if you stick with x264 only.

 

The suggestion for delid is for your CPU because your CPU might be thermally limited which is not the case for many other CPUs.

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I delidded my 4670k and got about a 20*C drop under load, and about a 10*C drop while idle - using CLP between the die and IHS, and GC Extreme between the IHS and my H100i....So if you're shooting for that 5ghz, then delidding will help you get there - especially since temps seem to be your only limitation....
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