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Input is 1.9 right now.

I mis-spoke when I said 4.8 is even better. Essentially the sentence "4.8 is even better." shouldn't even be there. *facepalm*

4.6 was stable with auto at 1.3-1.31. Currently I've been running OCCT for an hour at 4.7 ghz 1.44 VCore, VCCIN 1.936.

Temperatures haven't been extremely, but 91 is still a bit higher than I like to see. I need to find some way to manually set my motherboard's fan controls to 100% when testing without using the worthless AI Suite III software.

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Originally Posted by Aedaric View Post

Input is 1.9 right now.

I mis-spoke when I said 4.8 is even better. Essentially the sentence "4.8 is even better." shouldn't even be there. *facepalm*

4.6 was stable with auto at 1.3-1.31. Currently I've been running OCCT for an hour at 4.7 ghz 1.44 VCore, VCCIN 1.936.

Temperatures haven't been extremely, but 91 is still a bit higher than I like to see. I need to find some way to manually set my motherboard's fan controls to 100% when testing without using the worthless AI Suite III software.

My recommendation is:
-Ensure cache ratio is at stock.

-Input voltage to 2.1v

-Core voltage to 1.42v

 

With any luck should be more stable than your 4.7 ghz 1.44 VCore, VCCIN 1.936 while having lower Vcore by a little bit. Unless you're stable at that setting, anyway.

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Any drop in VCore will always be better, imo. Less voltage is a direct drop in temperate. Cache is locked at 35, though for some reason HWiNFO reads it as having a minimum of 3400 and a maximum of 3600, I set them in the BIOS at 35. >.>

I'm going to give x264 a run through and see how it handles my current 1.44. Temperatures idle at 35-40 which isn't bad. Thank you for the fast responses btw!
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Hi all, builded my computer yesterday and have some questions about the OC with ASUS Maximus VI Gene MB and 4770K.

I have only got to 4.3 with 1.289v which is pretty bad I think. Temperatures is around 70 degrees with prime95 blend test. (I have understand temps are generally higher then Sandy Bridge)

My goal was to get a stable 4.5Ghz with less then 1.3v but that seems to be impossible.

I have however only changed very few settings. (testing with XMP profile 2) - see profile description below.
I only change turbo ratio, x43 and with manual cpu voltage 1.289v. So havent changed anything else. (with sandy bridge I changed alot more things)
So maybe I can get better overclock if changing something else? I have seen Vrin? (but dont know which one it is)
For the cache ratio I go with auto.

I want to have a nice stable manual overclock, and I do want to change it to adaptive when done. Really dont want the voltage to be that high when idle.

I also dont understand what I should run my memory at. I am having CL11 2133Mhz XMP Beast Series. They are having 2 XMP Profiles.
Profile 1: 2133Mhz with 1.6v (and pretty high trimmings (is that the name?),
Profile 2: 1600Mhz, with lower trimmings (9.9.9.2)

From what I have seen, all OC should first be with 1600Mhz, and when stable, I can try change DRAM Frequency higher? I dont like the fact of downclocking the memory (is that what going from 2133Mhz-1600Mhz do?). Or should I OC with my XMP Profile 1 (2133Mhz) to get full potential of my RAM?

Sorry for all texts here.
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Hi all, builded my computer yesterday and have some questions about the OC with ASUS Maximus VI Gene MB and 4770K.

I have only got to 4.3 with 1.289v which is pretty bad I think. Temperatures is around 70 degrees with prime95 blend test. (I have understand temps are generally higher then Sandy Bridge)

My goal was to get a stable 4.5Ghz with less then 1.3v but that seems to be impossible.

I have however only changed very few settings. (testing with XMP profile 2) - see profile description below.
I only change turbo ratio, x43 and with manual cpu voltage 1.289v. So havent changed anything else. (with sandy bridge I changed alot more things)
So maybe I can get better overclock if changing something else? I have seen Vrin? (but dont know which one it is)
For the cache ratio I go with auto.

I want to have a nice stable manual overclock, and I do want to change it to adaptive when done. Really dont want the voltage to be that high when idle.

I also dont understand what I should run my memory at. I am having CL11 2133Mhz XMP Beast Series. They are having 2 XMP Profiles.
Profile 1: 2133Mhz with 1.6v (and pretty high trimmings (is that the name?),
Profile 2: 1600Mhz, with lower trimmings (9.9.9.2)

From what I have seen, all OC should first be with 1600Mhz, and when stable, I can try change DRAM Frequency higher? I dont like the fact of downclocking the memory (is that what going from 2133Mhz-1600Mhz do?). Or should I OC with my XMP Profile 1 (2133Mhz) to get full potential of my RAM?

Sorry for all texts here.

Read the first page.

You can overclock the ram but do it after the CPU is done. Input voltage and uncore info is on first page, ASUS' version of those settings also in first page. If you have questions after reading, hit us up again.

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I have read it, so thats why I asked here what to do now.
Should I change something else.

My xmp profle is at 1600Mhz so that should be safe to have loaded when trying to find a stable OC right? Or should I set it to Manual instead of XMP and change to 1600Mhz myself? (whats the difference?)
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XMP sets a bunch of other stuff like secondary, tertiary timings and also sometimes stuff like system agent, manual 1600 ~9-9-9-24 at a safe voltage just uses loose timings on everything and leaves SA etc auto AFAIK
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I have read it, so thats why I asked here what to do now.
Should I change something else.

My xmp profle is at 1600Mhz so that should be safe to have loaded when trying to find a stable OC right? Or should I set it to Manual instead of XMP and change to 1600Mhz myself? (whats the difference?)

Then you would notice an entire section that reads:

 

Quote:
 
Input Voltage (aka VCCIN, Vrin, Eventual Input Voltage)
The VRIN can be thought of as the entire amount of voltage drawn by the CPU and all of its components. 
When your Vcore is really going up, at least 1.30 probably 1.35v or above, you may need to change other settings. For one, keep your Vccin or total CPU voltage to 0.5v above Vcore. You can try 1.9 or 2.0v. 2.2 is uncharted territory, but for my personal overclock, a Vcore of 1.42 required Vccin of 2.15v for stability. Vccin is also known as Vrin. In Asus ROG boards, try tweaking the "eventual input voltage" instead.
 
For my case, I was trying to get x46 core multiplier and could not stabilize. Odd, considering x45 was rock solid @ 1.35v. I scaled up voltage from 1.35 to 1.4, 1.42, 1.47, 1.5, 1.512v, without being any more stable as voltage went up. The key was a higher Vcore, AND a higher input voltage. I demonstrated this by testing stability at 1.42v with various input voltage. I tested by running x264 until Bsod 5 times per setting, keeping track of averages. From 1.85 to 1.95 to 2.05 to 2.15, I could see demonstrable improvement in stability, with a higher maximum, minimum, and average time until Bsod.

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  1. Set Uncore (AKA Ring Bus) to core ratio to manual. Set it to stock multiplier manually. With ring bus running on stock and locked at stock for now, no need to fiddle with ring bus voltage. That goes to auto. Some motherboards MAY increase Vring to unsafe levels if you didn't manually set ring bus to stock because the motherboard will try to auto-overclock the ring bus if left on auto. Avoid future headaches by following step 1.
  2. Set any XMP profile OFF for ram. If your ram is above 1600, set it to 1600, no higher while we're testing overclocks. Heck, if your ram is XMP'ed for 1600, lower it to non XMP. Doesn't hurt.
  3. Start ramping up the core multiplier and voltage until you think you've found your sweet spot. You might need to increase input voltage from the motherboard-set setting once you hit higher voltages. More on that later. Do stress test and if you pass, go to step 4. NOTE: Yes, you up the core multiplier by 1 each time. You can probably get away with starting at 4ghz though. Because the core clock is 100, 100 x 40 = 4000mhz or 4ghz.
  4. Now we fiddle with ram, higher ring bus/ring bus voltage in effort to get marginally better performance. Stress test. Do not raise ring bus or ram if it means lowering core clock for stability.
  5. If you are hardcore or have a lot of time on your hands, you can try adding clockstrap to the mix but I'd stay away from it unless you're super duper picky. Nobody has reported very good results with this but you're welcome to experiment.
  6. Set Cstates to ON to C7.
 

Your questions are already answered in the first post. Let me highlight what I'm pointing on with the first quote: Vrin = Eventual Input Voltage. That is your setting on your Asus mobo. Cache ratio = Uncore on your Asus mobo.

Now about the ram:

XMP profile is basically a set of overclock settings for that ram of yours. Depending on what your ram was adveritised, your XMP setting may be guarenteed to work. You see, ram doesn't come shipped, running 2400, for example. You need to run XMP profile, which is a gamut of settings that is supposed to work 100% of the time for those sticks of ram. It's basically an overclock. If you want to manually OC you disable XMP and start changing stuff yourself. Will you get better results with manual OC? Yes. But keep in mind that speed is not everything, timings matter as well. Sometimes to get higher speed you need a "looser" timing, that means larger numbers, which decreases speed. So sometimes you up speed, loosen timings, and the end result is no faster than before. 

You can use a benchmark to test the speed of your ram, which helps you decide whether to go for higher speed at the cost of looser timings, or lower speed tighter timings, or what combination of both.

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Then you would notice an entire section that reads:


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Your questions are already answered in the first post. Let me highlight what I'm pointing on with the first quote: Vrin = Eventual Input Voltage. That is your setting on your Asus mobo. Cache ratio = Uncore on your Asus mobo.
Now about the ram:


XMP profile is basically a set of overclock settings for that ram of yours. Depending on what your ram was adveritised, your XMP setting may be guarenteed to work. You see, ram doesn't come shipped, running 2400, for example. You need to run XMP profile, which is a gamut of settings that is supposed to work 100% of the time for those sticks of ram. It's basically an overclock. If you want to manually OC you disable XMP and start changing stuff yourself. Will you get better results with manual OC? Yes. But keep in mind that speed is not everything, timings matter as well. Sometimes to get higher speed you need a "looser" timing, that means larger numbers, which decreases speed. So sometimes you up speed, loosen timings, and the end result is no faster than before. 


You can use a benchmark to test the speed of your ram, which helps you decide whether to go for higher speed at the cost of looser timings, or lower speed tighter timings, or what combination of both.

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I guess I will be getting i5-4670k+Extreme 4 this week. My i5-750 temperatures spiked up by about 30c for no reason. Plus my overclock stopped being stable in benchmarks.
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