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Well, tried to have Asus Enhancement on/off. from the C state, I tried both C3 and C7. Still no result.Read about support of PSUs but not sure at all.
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I have been running 4.9 "stable" through lots of XTU benchmarks and a few stress tests with absolutely no problems and no lags in everyday use.
Then I get a wild hair and decide to run Prime 95 1344 fft's again and BOOM!

Through endless BSOD 124/101 I keep cranking vccin & vcore until everything is smooth, then BAM! 12K fft's start killing me all of a sudden.
So I end up with ~2.2 vccin & about 1.4 vcore.

*Then I come back and read the OP once again for a little sanity check, and to forget about passing every stress test in the world.* wink.gif

Currently I'm back to 4.8 w/ 1.900 vccin / 1.33 vcore / x39 uncore / 1.06 vring which will pass pretty much anything......but I know I can run 4.9 all day if I quit worrying about passing every stress test there is!!

BTW in the discussion about BSOD 101/124, I've noticed as I'm trying to pass a difficult stress test and pushing the cpu about as far as I can, that the two codes become pretty much interchangeable. With my cpu, at least, the jump from 4.8 to 4.9 is a much larger leap than between any lower clocks (depending on stress tests used).

Ready to chart the overclock? Every multiplier it gets harder and harder to find stability and requires more and more and more increases in voltage, diminishing marginal returns.

 

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Hi guys

thanks for nice infos here. But gonna ask you... So my 4770k and Z87 Gryphon is at home for three days. Yesterday I started to do bit of OC and those are my results, and maybe you could help and give a hint or two, what could be done for making it better.

Stable - tested with very long sessions of BF4 - Asus Bench Test (I know, I should use more serious tests as x264, Aida). Tried the philosophy of OP though.

Numbers:
4,4 Ghz 44x100
VID 1,275 V - manual
Default Vcore 1.049 V

Cache 35x
Cache voltage 1,1 V

Input Voltage 1,880 V

HT on, Eist off, Asus Enhancement off.

Ram 1600MHz 888 24 1,35 (Ballistix Tacticals VP)

When I tried to move up to 4,5 for at least post and windows start I needed to use VID of 1,295 (or 1,290) V and still not stable at all, I have not fiddled with the rest of voltages though. Temps are not problem yet with NH D14. Not even In Prime, barely goes over 70°C but mind you, it is not the newest with those AVX. In BF it is till 60° C. I do not want to give up HT (well that was the reason I bought i7 - instead I would get a chance to FX 8350, maybe should - not sure now ^-^)

Any suggestions how to get higher? Also I have seen really nice idle voltages, how can I get those, With Turbo on Auto, Eist On, C state on, I still get minimally 0,7 V instead those nice 0,1 V stuff. PSU is Corsair TX750 (Seasonic build) if it has something to do with it. Also have anybody tried to underclock the thing, or no reason at all? Thanks guys for any hints.

I think you're not doing anything wrong, you just need more Vcore. I was running 4.5ghz with 1.35v VID and 2.0 Vrin.

You can buy thermal breathing room by using x264 instead of prime. It's unclear if you'll need to, but if you're willing to bear the thought of using 1.35v+ VID, Prime might not be an option for you. Substitute Prime with x264, ensure stability by increasing the stress test length to overnight and you've managed to bypass the temperature problem. We'll see just how good your CPU is at 4.5ghz. I think so far you've guarenteed your chip to be average in the least.

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Well, tried to have Asus Enhancement on/off. from the C state, I tried both C3 and C7. Still no result.Read about support of PSUs but not sure at all.
Let's see what people with Asus mobos are saying then. I think Forceman has it. Does Cyro have it as well? I should double down on the mobo settings for other brands, this is getting out of hand and people with different mobos are getting confused.
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What 500 posts nearly in just 5 days that i missed ? Took full 2 hour for reading all those missed posts. biggrin.gif
Was considering how many hits/Bsod's one might have faced while getting stable OC ? I have just compiled my OC log and its feels like years medical prescription for my DUD chip. tongue.gif



YOUR POST WAS THE 9001TH POST, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY???


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c6/c7 is the 4 watt / 0.144vcore / 800mhz reported power state
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Put your uncore to 33, put vcore back to 1.23, 1.85 vrin, max vrin llc, lower core multi til it passes and you're stable - then use that as starting point
vcore that meas that i set back from 1.280 to 1.23v
vrin? thats eventual input voltage? cant get to terminologies in asus xD
max vrin llc? should i set llc at level 8?
so uncore voltage stays at 1.2v
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vcore that meas that i set back from 1.280 to 1.23v
vrin? thats eventual input voltage? cant get to terminologies in asus xD

First Sentence: Not sure what you're saying, maybe Cyro does.

Second Sentence: Yes, that is correct.

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vcore that meas that i set back from 1.280 to 1.23v
vrin? thats eventual input voltage? cant get to terminologies in asus xD
max vrin llc? should i set llc at level 8?
so uncore voltage stays at 1.2v

Yep
Yep
Maybe it's level 7-8 - i'm not sure how the scale works.
Yep - maybe 1.15v even (dont think any chip fails @33x, 1.15v)
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Hi all, builded my computer yesterday and have some questions about the OC with ASUS Maximus VI Gene MB and 4770K.

I have only got to 4.3 with 1.289v which is pretty bad I think. Temperatures is around 70 degrees with prime95 blend test. (I have understand temps are generally higher then Sandy Bridge)

My goal was to get a stable 4.5Ghz with less then 1.3v but that seems to be impossible.

I have however only changed very few settings. (testing with XMP profile 2) - see profile description below.
I only change turbo ratio, x43 and with manual cpu voltage 1.289v. So havent changed anything else. (with sandy bridge I changed alot more things)
So maybe I can get better overclock if changing something else? I have seen Vrin? (but dont know which one it is)
For the cache ratio I go with auto.

I want to have a nice stable manual overclock, and I do want to change it to adaptive when done. Really dont want the voltage to be that high when idle.

I also dont understand what I should run my memory at. I am having CL11 2133Mhz XMP Beast Series. They are having 2 XMP Profiles.
Profile 1: 2133Mhz with 1.6v (and pretty high trimmings (is that the name?),
Profile 2: 1600Mhz, with lower trimmings (9.9.9.2)

From what I have seen, all OC should first be with 1600Mhz, and when stable, I can try change DRAM Frequency higher? I dont like the fact of downclocking the memory (is that what going from 2133Mhz-1600Mhz do?). Or should I OC with my XMP Profile 1 (2133Mhz) to get full potential of my RAM?

Sorry for all texts here.

I just want to highlight something you posted. This is now in bold in the quote. All of my testing has shown that adaptive does nothing to lower your set voltage and only serves to kick you in the you-know-what if you accidently start Prime on it. C states is where it's at. You can do a test of your own, but in MSI mobo and crossreferenced with Forceman for his mobo which I believe is Asus, adaptive is practically useless. What you think of as adaptive voltage is really Cstate functionality.
 

In light of this finding from my last batch of tests, I have decided to recommend against using adaptive voltage under all circumstances. To be clear, I found no evidence of Vcore increase under Prime load when on Cstates but not on adaptive. So the massive Vcore jump on synthetics only occurs when adaptive is on. This is a fault in the adaptive voltage setting and has nothing to do with C states. In other words, adaptive has nothing but negatives and Cstates has nothing but positives it seems/


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All of my testing has shown that adaptive does nothing to lower your set voltage and only serves to kick you in the you-know-what if you accidently start Prime on it. C states is where it's at. You can do a test of your own, but in MSI mobo and crossreferenced with Forceman for his mobo which I believe is Asus, adaptive is practically useless. What you think of as adaptive voltage is really Cstate functionality.

I'm confused btw - MSI and asus boards do this too? If so then why is anybody, ever, using anything aside from manual+cstates?

I mean 800mhz/0.144v idle scaling up to your load voltage +0.02 - i was under the impression that only giga had such implementation, and the other boards were incapable of it, forced to use offset or adaptive for volt drop
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I'm confused btw - MSI and asus boards do this too? If so then why is anybody, ever, using anything aside from manual+cstates?

I mean 800mhz/0.144v idle scaling up to your load voltage +0.02 - i was under the impression that only giga had such implementation, and the other boards were incapable of it, forced to use offset or adaptive for volt drop

That's the part that completely blows my mind. Why the hell is adaptive even an option when it doesn't seem to have any possible gains and only poses to be a possible CPU killer if used incorrectly? I PMed Forceman a week or so ago and he seems to share a similar sentiment. This is probably why Gigabyte removed adaptive setting from their mobo completely... they probably tested and was like... well, this setting is useless, and removed it, lol. :lachen:

Now about the speed decrease on idle - I found no way to bring about this on my G45 MSI  board no matter what combination of adaptive, C states, or whatnot I could toggle or play with. 

I used to just say, "turn on adaptive and C7 for maximum power savings", as if both were obviously needed for max power savings and voltage drop. Which is a lazy way of saying, turn both of these on because I don't feel like figuring out which does what but I know both set this way works.

So I remedied this and tested the settings one by one and together, and I had to revise my guide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We come to Haswell with all these false preconceived notions of how OCing this chip ought to work; The uncore exists and theoretically needs 1:1 for optimal performance, so intuitively we think that having it set too low causes bottleneck. We intuitively feel that having AVX2 stress is the best way to test stability as it uses those new instruction sets. We think that adaptive ought to do something nice because it's a new option and the mobo vendors bothered to add it. This is why we test things, to make sure the stuff we think is true is actually true.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 1/26/14 at 6:17am
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Finally adding my results.
Username:
CPU Model: i5-4670K
Core Multiplier: 47X
CPU VID: 1.265V
Vcore: 1.284
Uncore Multiplier: 37X
Uncore Voltage: 1.15v
Cooling Solution: NH-D14 2x P14
Stability Test: 30x loops Pass 2 x264
Batch Number: Costa Rica [3313A646]
Ram Speed: 10-10-10-28 @ 2133, 1.475vDIMM
Input Voltage: 1.95VRIN
LLC Setting: Extreme
Motherboard: Z87X-UD4H [F7] Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I know Cyro be like - go for 5Ghz or something hahah.

I missed your post for some odd reason. Nevermind, you have been charted, picture verification accepted, thank you for following the format and grats on OC. :thumb: 

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I shall test it when I get the time. Could maybe 3 other people (with different components (4770k (OC'd)/R9 290x/GTX 780TI) do the same? I have a 4670k@4,7Ghz Cache 42x BCLK@100. I also have a R9 290 that overclocks pretty good, but since most people won't get the clocks I am able to get (1250/1570) and I don't have my VRM heatsinks yet (temps get up to 120C after a few minutes of gaming) I will keep the R9 290 at stock. I also have it watercooled (Kraken G10+x40) so it won't throttle. We can do luke's benchmarking run http://youtu.be/4-ZU3ty63rg. And maybe some multiplayer too for the realism. Sucks I didn't do the campaign and only fly in little birds though. Will start on the campaign soon. I have 16GB 2400Mhz TridentX modules btw. No I am not an idiot, they were much cheaper for price/GB then 8GB 1600Mhz C9 modules at the time.
Alright, looking forward to seeing data from you.
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well this is slightly embarrasing... after deciding to give it one more go, I realised that after resetting everything to default and applying the 42 multipliers on the cores I accidentaly typed in 43.
This means that I have been testing a stable 4.3 ghz overclock in prime 95 without changing anything from stock other than the Core multiplier.

I don't think I deserve to overclock any more.

Jake

Uhm... Let's continue overclocking, lol. For your sake and mine.

 

 

 

Double posted.
Sue me.


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