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I have a Asus Hero Wiz i'll check it out in a few minutes
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I have a Asus Hero Wiz i'll check it out in a few minutes

Don't forget, to test you must have all C states and C state related functionality off. Hwinfo is probably best to check the idle voltage. Figure you might already know that, but doesn't hurt to make sure. Thanks.

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Tryed your download. Did run the "bench_script_loop_user.bat"-file after I have installed Avisynth_258. But it could not start it. Only got errors.
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Downloading right now and it says 105mb. o.o
http://www.2shared.com/file/-R7F02sS/x264_Stress_with_AVSynth_and_L.html
yeah i dl'ed at my office when extracted gives me errors about 39
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Looking for some advice on my 4770k overclock.

I recently took the plunge and upgraded to haswell, luckily i got a decent chip (in terms of frequency). Its been good to me after i delided.

With my lapped h100 on medium fan speed my maximum IBT stable clock is 4.7ghz with a 1:1 cache ratio, After 20 passes of intel burn (maximum) test my hottest core is 86c (currently using gelid gc extreme as im waiting on some clu for the core and some liquid electrical tape to cover the caps)

http://valid.canardpc.com/tt9zy9

But after reading around there seems to be lots of speculation on voltages.

I just wanted to check with you guys whether you would be comfortable with running the following:

The lowest voltages (read from within windows) im stable at are:
1.392v vcore, 1.392v cpu ring, 2.0v vccin.

Thats for x47 core x47 cache

MSI_Snap_Shot1.png

MSI_Snap_Shot1_00.png

Going by the chart below im a little over on cpu ring, but other forums i have read people say upto 1.4 for cpu ring is fine.

f5315882_vku3.jpeg


I have been advised elsewhere that i should lover my cache multi so that i can lower my vccin and ring bus voltages, so im here really for a second opinion.

Thanks in advanced for the help.
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yeah i dl'ed at my office when extracted gives me errors about 39

What?
When extracted as in, errors in extraction, or errors in running the file after extraction, and what 39?

 

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Originally Posted by Akehage View Post

Tryed your download. Did run the "bench_script_loop_user.bat"-file after I have installed Avisynth_258. But it could not start it. Only got errors.

Can you be more specific? Forceman knows the fix if there is an issue. But that's some hassle.

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Looking for some advice on my 4770k overclock.

I recently took the plunge and upgraded to haswell, luckily i got a decent chip (in terms of frequency). Its been good to me after i delided.

With my lapped h100 on medium fan speed my maximum IBT stable clock is 4.7ghz with a 1:1 cache ratio, After 20 passes of intel burn (maximum) test my hottest core is 86c (currently using gelid gc extreme as im waiting on some clu for the core and some liquid electrical tape to cover the caps)

http://valid.canardpc.com/tt9zy9

But after reading around there seems to be lots of speculation on voltages.

I just wanted to check with you guys whether you would be comfortable with running the following:

The lowest voltages (read from within windows) im stable at are:
1.392v vcore, 1.392v cpu ring, 2.0v vccin.

Thats for x47 core x47 cache

MSI_Snap_Shot1.png

MSI_Snap_Shot1_00.png

Going by the chart below im a little over on cpu ring, but other forums i have read people say upto 1.4 for cpu ring is fine.

f5315882_vku3.jpeg


I have been advised elsewhere that i should lover my cache multi so that i can lower my vccin and ring bus voltages, so im here really for a second opinion.

Thanks in advanced for the help.

I have a little more conservative view on uncore voltage. I do not recommend going over 1.3v. One, because there is talk about how uncore tolerates less voltage but more importantly, two, uncore has very little impact on performance. If you actually care enough about the extra 100-300mhz of uncore, you are so hardcore to the point where breaking your CPU doesn't matter because you have multiple CPUs lying around because you are that hardcore. The large majority of people are not like that. Then again, if you were, you wouldn't be asking questions about safety in the first place. 

 

1:1 cache ratio giving some magical boost in performance is a myth busted over and over and over in this thread.
My stances are stated as follows:

 

Quote:
 
"1:1 Cache Ratio"
In a perfect world we'd all be running 1:1 cache ratio, but we'd also be running 500 ghz overclocks and sipping iced tea on clouds. We don't live in that world. If you got a cherry picked unit, fine, you can hit 1:1. For the rest of us, you cannot, pure and simple. Say the highest core overclock you can get is 4.6ghz. If you try to bring your uncore also to 4.6ghz, very likely you've either 1) Crashed your system because the uncore OC makes the core OC unstable 2) Crashed because you lack sufficient Vring 3) Applied unsafe Vring. You can't get past the first issue. You'd rather have 4.6ghz core and stock uncore (3.4ghz is stock core and uncore for 4670k, 3.5ghz for 4770k) than 4.5 core and 4.5 uncore. So what the heck is this 1:1 Cache Ratio nonsense?
 
It's the idea that your ring bus helps your performance up until it is the same speed as your processor. But you should know by now that ring bus helps performance... by a super small margin. The amount is negligible. It's basically saying, if your ring bus is higher than your core speed, that extra ring bus isn't doing anything supposidly. But the entire point is useless as pretty much nobody can hit 1:1 in the first place, let alone get above 1:1. Let me make this crystal clear: 1:1 doesn't make your CPU magically faster. You don't get an extra boost for doing 1:1. It's the same boost from 1:0.9 to 1:0.95 as 1:0.95 to 1:1. The amount of performance gain from uncore is roughly the same no matter how close your uncore is to your core. All that jabber about "keeping uncore 200-300mhz below core" is simply misleading. There is no such bottleneck that occurs if it's lower which those people seem to imply, and I have hardcore benchmark after benchmark to back up my statement. You overclock core with uncore set to stock so it doesn't lower your max core overclock. Then you overclock uncore without ever lowering core to get a higher uncore. If it happens to be 200-300 mhz under your core, awesome. If not or you don't want to push an unsafe Vring, that's fine too. Overclocking Haswell is complicated as is, last thing we need is to mislead and confuse people with 1:1 ratios.
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Credits to Maxforces for the second part of the benchmarks. From my personal benchmarks, I found the drop of 0.7ghz for the ring bus to be an equal performance hit of 0.05ghz decrease in core clock and this difference shows in a very CPU reliant benchmark like chess.

 

 

And here are the most recent tests for uncore that I have done:

The 4.2 vs 3.4 is the uncore setting. The core multiplier for this test was x45.

 

Testing methodoloy in this test is much more well documented by me.

Chess: Houdini 3, 9mb hash, starting position, 5 minutes.

BF3 Multiplayer: 64 player server in a closed map (Canals). Regular gameplay for entire round.

BF3 Campaign: Second misson, following scripted NPC movement.

Enemy Territory: 30 vs 30, Fueldump.

Runescape: GE, World 3. Capturing FPS while stationary. Max detail, non HTML5. x4 AA Bloom enabled. (It seems to use CPU to do AA)

Oblivion 1: Walk out in the wild, through Oblivion gate, to town gate.

Oblivion 2: NPC combat in Imperial City. Several guards/NPC vs Umbra. Spawn 50 player copies and begin combat once Umbra dies.

 

These were done on tests, as you can see, that vary from CPU benchmarks to CPU reliant games.

 
Maxforces Says:
Test setup

 

Results

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
but if you play 3dmark you will gain some pionts

 



Your other voltages seem fine. 

BTW, I'm keeping track of all Haswell OCs. Mind posting your settings?

Username:
CPU Model:
Core Multiplier: [If you used Blck strap, put what Blck and mention your resulting frequency]
CPU VID: This is the CPU core voltage value you input into BIOS.
Vcore: This is the CPU Vcore reading from Hwinfo or HWMonitor under load. "Load" depends on what you're stressing.
Uncore Multiplier:
Uncore Voltage:
Cooling Solution:
Stability Test: [Any test is OK, synthetic or not. List how long test is run.]
Batch Number: [Malay or Costa Rica chip? Please list the entire batch number if you can.]
Ram Speed: [Timings if you know them.]
Input Voltage: [aka VCCIN, Vrin, Eventual Input Voltage]
LLC Setting: [If you didn't change default, say AUTO]
Motherboard: [Optional.]

Edited by Darkwizzie - 1/28/14 at 8:26am
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@ Darkwizzie: This is the error I got.

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Originally Posted by Darkwizzie View Post

I have a little more conservative view on uncore voltage. I do not recommend going over 1.3v. One, because there is talk about how uncore tolerates less voltage but more importantly, two, uncore has very little impact on performance. If you actually care enough about the extra 100-300mhz of uncore, you are so hardcore to the point where breaking your CPU doesn't matter because you have multiple CPUs lying around because you are that hardcore. The large majority of people are not like that. Then again, if you were, you wouldn't be asking questions about safety in the first place. 

1:1 cache ratio giving some magical boost in performance is a myth busted over and over and over in this thread.

My stances are stated as follows:


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Credits to Maxforces for the second part of the benchmarks. From my personal benchmarks, I found the drop of 0.7ghz for the ring bus to be an equal performance hit of 0.05ghz decrease in core clock and this difference shows in a very CPU reliant benchmark like chess.










And here are the most recent tests for uncore that I have done:


The 4.2 vs 3.4 is the uncore setting. The core multiplier for this test was x45.

Testing methodoloy in this test is much more well documented by me.
Chess: Houdini 3, 9mb hash, starting position, 5 minutes.
BF3 Multiplayer: 64 player server in a closed map (Canals). Regular gameplay for entire round.

BF3 Campaign: Second misson, following scripted NPC movement.



Enemy Territory: 30 vs 30, Fueldump.



Runescape: GE, World 3. Capturing FPS while stationary. Max detail, non HTML5. x4 AA Bloom enabled. (It seems to use CPU to do AA)



Oblivion 1: Walk out in the wild, through Oblivion gate, to town gate.



Oblivion 2: NPC combat in Imperial City. Several guards/NPC vs Umbra. Spawn 50 player copies and begin combat once Umbra dies.



 



These were done on tests, as you can see, that vary from CPU benchmarks to CPU reliant games.





 


Maxforces Says:


Test setup







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but if you play 3dmark you will gain some pionts












Your other voltages seem fine. 


BTW, I'm keeping track of all Haswell OCs. Mind posting your settings?
Username:
CPU Model:
Core Multiplier: [If you used Blck strap, put what Blck and mention your resulting frequency]
CPU VID: This is the CPU core voltage value you input into BIOS.
Vcore: This is the CPU Vcore reading from Hwinfo or HWMonitor under load. "Load" depends on what you're stressing.
Uncore Multiplier:
Uncore Voltage:
Cooling Solution:
Stability Test: [Any test is OK, synthetic or not. List how long test is run.]
Batch Number: [Malay or Costa Rica chip? Please list the entire batch number if you can.]
Ram Speed: [Timings if you know them.]
Input Voltage: [aka VCCIN, Vrin, Eventual Input Voltage]
LLC Setting: [If you didn't change default, say AUTO]
Motherboard: [Optional.]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwizzie View Post

I have a little more conservative view on uncore voltage. I do not recommend going over 1.3v. One, because there is talk about how uncore tolerates less voltage but more importantly, two, uncore has very little impact on performance. If you actually care enough about the extra 100-300mhz of uncore, you are so hardcore to the point where breaking your CPU doesn't matter because you have multiple CPUs lying around because you are that hardcore. The large majority of people are not like that. Then again, if you were, you wouldn't be asking questions about safety in the first place. Check out the first post, I listed the performance changes with uncore change.

1:1 cache ratio giving some magical boost in performance is a myth busted over and over and over in this thread.


Your other voltages seem fine. 


BTW, I'm keeping track of all Haswell OCs. Mind posting your settings?
Username:
CPU Model:
Core Multiplier: [If you used Blck strap, put what Blck and mention your resulting frequency]
CPU VID: This is the CPU core voltage value you input into BIOS.
Vcore: This is the CPU Vcore reading from Hwinfo or HWMonitor under load. "Load" depends on what you're stressing.
Uncore Multiplier:
Uncore Voltage:
Cooling Solution:
Stability Test: [Any test is OK, synthetic or not. List how long test is run.]
Batch Number: [Malay or Costa Rica chip? Please list the entire batch number if you can.]
Ram Speed: [Timings if you know them.]
Input Voltage: [aka VCCIN, Vrin, Eventual Input Voltage]
LLC Setting: [If you didn't change default, say AUTO]
Motherboard: [Optional.]

Thanks for the reply, im more than happy to provide you with my current settings:

Username: Alfshizzle
CPU Model: 4770k
Core Multiplier: x47
CPU VID: 1.360
Vcore: 1.392
Uncore Multiplier: x47
Uncore Voltage: 1.360 bios/ 1.392 windows
Cooling Solution: Lapped h100 medium fan
Stability Test: Intel burn test maximum (20 runs)
Batch Number: L312B528
Ram Speed: 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 1t
Input Voltage: 2.0
LLC Setting: 12.5%
Motherboard: MSI Z87I Gaming AC

Im no stranger to overclocking but im not a pro by any means, i have overclocked nearly every platform since lga 775, but haswell is a whole new beast and id rather be safe than have to pay out for a new cpu.

So, after looking at your benchmarks im better off running the cache at stock as the performance gain is not worth the extra volts/heat/watts/life of the cpu, correct?

Thanks again.
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Mr Wizzie here is a couple screenshots for ya






Edited by OutlawII - 1/28/14 at 8:57am
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