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Yes, that is my conclusion. It's probably best to stick with no more than 1.3, 1.35v uncore voltage in the most. We're unsure at this time what price you are paying in terms of safety for that extra 100mhz, because as you know, every multiplier higher you go, the amount of voltage increases more and more. Diminishing marginal returns. So considering the very small performance difference (you can STILL have uncore OC, just not 1:1, a good 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, is still nice so the difference is even smaller than what I used to benchmark), I would recommend dropping that uncore voltage to be safer rather than sorry just in case. OR, you can be our guniea pig, our case study to see what happens to your CPU 1-3 years down the line. :D
 

I will chart your settings soon, thank you.

 

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Mr Wizzie here is a couple screenshots for ya





 

Little problem with the screenshots here. Firstly, I can barely read the text on it for some reason. Open in a new tab downloads the picture and clicking on it doesn't make it larger, I have to manually zoom in Chrome to like x180% size to read the text. Also, the Vcore reading is typically a little lower on the HWinfo list. Here's a picture to show you what I"m talking about:

For Asus the reading might noy say "vcore" but some value there should in theory be quite low, fluctuating constantly, and rising to VID when under load. That's what we expect to happen if adaptive does what people used to think it does. My observations on my board show this isn't the case. So if you have Cstates/Eist all disabled, that reading should read a solid 1.3v or whatever your VID is. But the VID reading from HWinfo doesn't change.

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@ Darkwizzie: This is the error I got.

That error isn't your fault. This has happened before, but quite rarely.
If I go back and search posts made by Forceman in this thread with the word 'x264' in it I can probably find his solution. I'll get back to you in a bit. For now though, are your temps OK for prime? You can use that in the meantime. Or go on a gaming spree for now as a 'stability test'. Excuse to go gaming, lol.


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Yes, that is my conclusion. It's probably best to stick with no more than 1.3, 1.35v uncore voltage in the most. We're unsure at this time what price you are paying in terms of safety for that extra 100mhz, because as you know, every multiplier higher you go, the amount of voltage increases more and more. Diminishing marginal returns.

 
I will chart your settings soon, thank you.

Thanks for your advice +Rep
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Wizzie see if these are any better,manual and adaptive were both set with c-states all disabled





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Hi,

Would you mind posting in my thread instead? Typically it gets you faster and better responses. Here is a quick response:

1. Vcore cannot go on Auto. That will not work for higher multipliers. You must adjust the Vcore yourself.
2. For now, set uncore to x35. That's stock uncore. You can overclock the uncore once your core is done with overclocking.
3. I recommend x264 bench as the stress test to use, download link in my thread.
4. Have you tried 4.2ghz?

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I tried to overclock it to 4.2 with 1.20V but when testing with Prime95, the Temps will exceed 80C after 20 minutes.
So I overclock it to 4.1 with 1.190V and when testing with Prime95 for one hour, Temps were about 76C (highest)

Here what I did:

CPU Clock Ratio: 41
Extreme Memory Profile: Profile 1 (Enabled)
CPU VRIN Protection: Turbo
PWM Phase Control: High
CPU Vcore: 1.190V (Manual)
EIST / C1E / C3 / C6/7 : Enabled


So, should i change something or just leave it as i it is?

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I tried to overclock it to 4.2 with 1.20V but when testing with Prime95, the Temps will exceed 80C after 20 minutes.
So I overclock it to 4.1 with 1.190V and when testing with Prime95 for one hour, Temps were about 76C (highest)

Here what I did:

CPU Clock Ratio: 41
Extreme Memory Profile: Profile 1 (Enabled)
CPU VRIN Protection: Turbo
PWM Phase Control: High
CPU Vcore: 1.190V (Manual)
EIST / C1E / C3 / C6/7 : Enabled


So, should i change something or just leave it as i it is?

Don't use Prime. Here's a chart of temps:

Recommended stressing method is x264.
Here: http://www.2shared.com/file/-R7F02sS/x264_Stress_with_AVSynth_and_L.html

More info listed on the first page under stress test section.

 

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Wizzie see if these are any better,manual and adaptive were both set with c-states all disabled





See, now this gets interesting. Oh yeah, first of all, the picture is now much more readable, so that's excellent. But the VID sensor on HWinfo is showing a change, which is interesting and unexpected. The behavior of adaptive might be different from mobo vendor to mobo vendor, to Gigabyte which doesn't even have it. I think more investigation and discussion is needed...
 
You mind posting the pictures again, but this time scrolled down a bit in HWinfo?

I'm looking for all of the sensor readings for data under that 'Nuvoton' category.


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Wizzie let me know if i can help with anything else thumb.gif

Do you know off the top of your head what Cstates do to your computer when On vs Off?

 

 

Here's a little background: Typically on HWinfo we have two seperate readings from HWinfo for Vcore. First we have VID, which should be the voltage you inputted into the motherboard. Because the voltage you put into the motherboard is the same no matter what you do while you're in Windows, it never changes whether you are on idle or playing a video game. Second, we have another reading labeled "Vcore", which is Hwinfo's attempt at reading what voltage is actually being drawn by the CPU.

 

You probably already know, that when you run Prime with adaptive mode, the voltage skyrockets. Well, you can't tell normally by staring at VID, only by looking at the Vcore sensor. It's the same thing for Cstates. Normally it is believed that C states reduce the idle voltage to very low levels. You can't tell it's working by looking at VID, but you can by looking at Vcore. Because if you set 1.3v in motherboard, Hwinfo recognizes 1.3v as being set into the motherboard, so that value doesn't change on idle. But Hwinfo reads the Vcore as some very low voltage because it detects that although you set 1.3v in bios, CPU is drawing some other amount of voltage instead.

But here we have the VID value changing. Your pictures don't show the Vcore reading so I don't know what's going on with the Vcore sensor. Maybe for Asus Hwinfo flips the readings so that VID is really Vcore and Vcore is really VID. Or maybe something else.

Any yet another thing to add to the confusion, it has been said recently that for Asus and Hwinfo, the Vcore reading is read as Vcorerefin. Mysticode and IncredibleHulk were talking about this picture:

 

http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL

 

On their Hwinfo, Vcore is completely missing and substituted by this thing called "Vcorerefin". I have not managed to contact Mysticode yet (he's the one who uploaded the picture on there) and ask him whether he was running C states or adaptive or neither or both etc.

 

If in fact Hwinfo sensors for Asus mobos simply show what would typically be a Vcore value as VID, and show VID values as "Vcorerefin", then that would prove that for Asus, adaptive voltage DOES do something. How are you at 1ghz or 800mhz core clock on idle without eist or C states or variable multiplier mode?

 

I'm glad I decided to investigate this further, because right now the evidence is pointing towards Pamazon being right: Adaptive is not useless for Asus mobos. But this adds even more questions: What about Asrock??? What about EVGA? I've only got Gigabyte and MSI investitaged. And Gigabyte is done because Gigabyte doesn't even have the adaptive functionality, and I have my own MSI G45 mobo to test. If Asus is the exception to the rule, then how can I be sure Asrock or EVGA or whatever don't fall into that category as well? So now I have to look at other mobos as well. Which is even more painful because I have to track people down and badger them with questions and requests for tests which I can't do on my motherboard. If I just got lazy and said my MSI results reflects all mobos, then my guide would be inaccurate.

It's that time of the day again, 9am, where I have not slept and I am not thinking too straightly.


Anyways:

If you'd like to, I will request this of you...

 

-Ensure your Hwinfo is the latest beta version.

-If it already is, skip the next step.

-Retake the pictures you made. The same exact pictures, but with the beta Hwinfo. 

-Now here is what you have not done before: On both adaptive and manual voltage modes, you need to scroll down a little bit to see where Vcore/Vcorerefin should be. Refer back to this picture to see where it typically is: http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL You screenshots are just shy of showing that.

-Then, a picture showing the VID reading with manual and Cstates on to max. Another one showing the Vcore/Vcorerefin reading. (Or you can just take a larger picture showing both in one picture, that's cool too.)

Again, I'd do this on my own if I could, but I can't exactly do that. I want to see what exactly adaptive is doing to the computer. And if adaptive is doing what we attribute C states' as doing on Asus, then what the heck are Cstates doing on Asus mobos?

 

 

Let me pack up, I'm flying to Minnesota to test your mobo in person. Brb. :teaching:


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I wanted to download the testing software but I couldn't.. It was another software called primuminstaller or something like that.. ?
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I have AIDA64 Extreme-- will that work?
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I have AIDA64 Extreme-- will that work?

Yes. Run the full gamut of CPU tests.

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Celapaleis (2013)
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
7600k @ 5.197/1.392 1.392v z170 Asus Hero EVGA 1080ti SC Black (2100/6250) x2 8gb GSkill Trident Z 3600 @ 3804 15-15-15-32-2T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 950 Pro 512gb (Undelwalt) WD Red 2tb (Pack Yak II) Seagate Expansion Drive 5tb (Phoenix Down II) 3x560mm HardwareLabs Nemesis GTX 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XPSC Raystorm Pro Watercool Heatkiller 1080ti Full Cover Waterblock EK XTOP Revo Dual D5 (Serial, PWM, v4) EK ZMT (1/2 - 3/4 ID OD) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
14xEK ACF (Compression Fittings) EK x4 250 (v2) Distilled Water + PT Nuke (Copper Sulphate) 24x140mm Silent Wings 3 
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Windows 10 Pro 64bit Catleap 27 Inch 2560x1440 IPS 60hz Display Coolermaster Storm Trigger (Brown Switches) EVGA P2 1000w 
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