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Do you know off the top of your head what Cstates do to your computer when On vs Off?


Here's a little background: Typically on HWinfo we have two seperate readings from HWinfo for Vcore. First we have VID, which should be the voltage you inputted into the motherboard. Because the voltage you put into the motherboard is the same no matter what you do while you're in Windows, it never changes whether you are on idle or playing a video game. Second, we have another reading labeled "Vcore", which is Hwinfo's attempt at reading what voltage is actually being drawn by the CPU.

You probably already know, that when you run Prime with adaptive mode, the voltage skyrockets. Well, you can't tell normally by staring at VID, only by looking at the Vcore sensor. It's the same thing for Cstates. Normally it is believed that C states reduce the idle voltage to very low levels. You can't tell it's working by looking at VID, but you can by looking at Vcore. Because if you set 1.3v in motherboard, Hwinfo recognizes 1.3v as being set into the motherboard, so that value doesn't change on idle. But Hwinfo reads the Vcore as some very low voltage because it detects that although you set 1.3v in bios, CPU is drawing some other amount of voltage instead.


But here we have the VID value changing. Your pictures don't show the Vcore reading so I don't know what's going on with the Vcore sensor. Maybe for Asus Hwinfo flips the readings so that VID is really Vcore and Vcore is really VID. Or maybe something else.


Any yet another thing to add to the confusion, it has been said recently that for Asus and Hwinfo, the Vcore reading is read as Vcorerefin. Mysticode and IncredibleHulk were talking about this picture:

http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL

On their Hwinfo, Vcore is completely missing and substituted by this thing called "Vcorerefin". I have not managed to contact Mysticode yet (he's the one who uploaded the picture on there) and ask him whether he was running C states or adaptive or neither or both etc.

If in fact Hwinfo sensors for Asus mobos simply show what would typically be a Vcore value as VID, and show VID values as "Vcorerefin", then that would prove that for Asus, adaptive voltage DOES do something. How are you at 1ghz or 800mhz core clock on idle without eist or C states or variable multiplier mode?

I'm glad I decided to investigate this further, because right now the evidence is pointing towards Pamazon being right: Adaptive is not useless for Asus mobos. But this adds even more questions: What about Asrock??? What about EVGA? I've only got Gigabyte and MSI investitaged. And Gigabyte is done because Gigabyte doesn't even have the adaptive functionality, and I have my own MSI G45 mobo to test. If Asus is the exception to the rule, then how can I be sure Asrock or EVGA or whatever don't fall into that category as well? So now I have to look at other mobos as well. Which is even more painful because I have to track people down and badger them with questions and requests for tests which I can't do on my motherboard. If I just got lazy and said my MSI results reflects all mobos, then my guide would be inaccurate.


It's that time of the day again, 9am, where I have not slept and I am not thinking too straightly.



Anyways:


If you'd like to, I will request this of you...

-Ensure your Hwinfo is the latest beta version.
-If it already is, skip the next step.
-Retake the pictures you made. The same exact pictures, but with the beta Hwinfo. 
-Now here is what you have not done before: On both adaptive and manual voltage modes, you need to scroll down a little bit to see where Vcore/Vcorerefin should be. Refer back to this picture to see where it typically is: http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL You screenshots are just shy of showing that.
-Then, a picture showing the VID reading with manual and Cstates on to max. Another one showing the Vcore/Vcorerefin reading. (Or you can just take a larger picture showing both in one picture, that's cool too.)


Again, I'd do this on my own if I could, but I can't exactly do that. I want to see what exactly adaptive is doing to the computer. And if adaptive is doing what we attribute C states' as doing on Asus, then what the heck are Cstates doing on Asus mobos?


Let me pack up, I'm flying to Minnesota to test your mobo in person. Brb. teaching.gif


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you mean like this right?

if so, I can then overclock my CPU to 4.4 with 1.26V smile.gif

because these Temps are much lower that what I got from Prime95.
I got above 80C with Prime95, but with this Software it looks like the Temp are not getting high..
Can I trust AIDA64 Extreme?
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you mean like this right?

if so, I can then overclock my CPU to 4.4 with 1.26V smile.gif

because these Temps are much lower that what I got from Prime95.
I got above 80C with Prime95, but with this Software it looks like the Temp are not getting high..
Can I trust AIDA64 Extreme?

Yes. If you don't, you can just run the test for a longer period of time.

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What is the highest tempreture that I should stop the stressing test when I see it?
I just overcloced my CPU to 4.4Ghz with 1.26V and it gets to high 70sC



Is that normal, or should I change it to lower ratio with lower Voltage like
4.3Ghz with 1.235V
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What is the highest tempreture that I should stop the stressing test when I see it?
I just overcloced my CPU to 4.4Ghz with 1.26V and it gets to high 70sC



Is that normal, or should I change it to lower ratio with lower Voltage like
4.3Ghz with 1.235V

You want to be at 85-90C max. I would run Aida64 for longer than a minute and see what temps you're peaking at. Say a half an hour to an hour. Should give you a better baseline @ those volts.
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What is the highest tempreture that I should stop the stressing test when I see it?
I just overcloced my CPU to 4.4Ghz with 1.26V and it gets to high 70sC



Is that normal, or should I change it to lower ratio with lower Voltage like
4.3Ghz with 1.235V

The amount of Vcore required for a speed varies a lot on Haswell chips and your settings don't seem strange at all. Like the other guy said, just don't pass 90C and you're fine.

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Thank you very much... I really appreciate your help smile.gif
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Do you know off the top of your head what Cstates do to your computer when On vs Off?


Here's a little background: Typically on HWinfo we have two seperate readings from HWinfo for Vcore. First we have VID, which should be the voltage you inputted into the motherboard. Because the voltage you put into the motherboard is the same no matter what you do while you're in Windows, it never changes whether you are on idle or playing a video game. Second, we have another reading labeled "Vcore", which is Hwinfo's attempt at reading what voltage is actually being drawn by the CPU.

You probably already know, that when you run Prime with adaptive mode, the voltage skyrockets. Well, you can't tell normally by staring at VID, only by looking at the Vcore sensor. It's the same thing for Cstates. Normally it is believed that C states reduce the idle voltage to very low levels. You can't tell it's working by looking at VID, but you can by looking at Vcore. Because if you set 1.3v in motherboard, Hwinfo recognizes 1.3v as being set into the motherboard, so that value doesn't change on idle. But Hwinfo reads the Vcore as some very low voltage because it detects that although you set 1.3v in bios, CPU is drawing some other amount of voltage instead.


But here we have the VID value changing. Your pictures don't show the Vcore reading so I don't know what's going on with the Vcore sensor. Maybe for Asus Hwinfo flips the readings so that VID is really Vcore and Vcore is really VID. Or maybe something else.


Any yet another thing to add to the confusion, it has been said recently that for Asus and Hwinfo, the Vcore reading is read as Vcorerefin. Mysticode and IncredibleHulk were talking about this picture:

http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL

On their Hwinfo, Vcore is completely missing and substituted by this thing called "Vcorerefin". I have not managed to contact Mysticode yet (he's the one who uploaded the picture on there) and ask him whether he was running C states or adaptive or neither or both etc.

If in fact Hwinfo sensors for Asus mobos simply show what would typically be a Vcore value as VID, and show VID values as "Vcorerefin", then that would prove that for Asus, adaptive voltage DOES do something. How are you at 1ghz or 800mhz core clock on idle without eist or C states or variable multiplier mode?

I'm glad I decided to investigate this further, because right now the evidence is pointing towards Pamazon being right: Adaptive is not useless for Asus mobos. But this adds even more questions: What about Asrock??? What about EVGA? I've only got Gigabyte and MSI investitaged. And Gigabyte is done because Gigabyte doesn't even have the adaptive functionality, and I have my own MSI G45 mobo to test. If Asus is the exception to the rule, then how can I be sure Asrock or EVGA or whatever don't fall into that category as well? So now I have to look at other mobos as well. Which is even more painful because I have to track people down and badger them with questions and requests for tests which I can't do on my motherboard. If I just got lazy and said my MSI results reflects all mobos, then my guide would be inaccurate.


It's that time of the day again, 9am, where I have not slept and I am not thinking too straightly.



Anyways:


If you'd like to, I will request this of you...

-Ensure your Hwinfo is the latest beta version.
-If it already is, skip the next step.
-Retake the pictures you made. The same exact pictures, but with the beta Hwinfo. 
-Now here is what you have not done before: On both adaptive and manual voltage modes, you need to scroll down a little bit to see where Vcore/Vcorerefin should be. Refer back to this picture to see where it typically is: http://imgur.com/Fo3wayL You screenshots are just shy of showing that.
-Then, a picture showing the VID reading with manual and Cstates on to max. Another one showing the Vcore/Vcorerefin reading. (Or you can just take a larger picture showing both in one picture, that's cool too.)


Again, I'd do this on my own if I could, but I can't exactly do that. I want to see what exactly adaptive is doing to the computer. And if adaptive is doing what we attribute C states' as doing on Asus, then what the heck are Cstates doing on Asus mobos?


Let me pack up, I'm flying to Minnesota to test your mobo in person. Brb. teaching.gif
yea as mentioning earlier I think that adaptive mode might be very different from your board to my board because it seems to be idling in the 0.7V. while you are saying that when you tested adaptive mode it still run at the max voltage that you set?

Also what did you mention in that picture for the vcorerefin?? checked mine and its at 1.968 exactly not changing ever.
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@ Darkwizzie: This is the error I got.


Does it work if you use it in 32 bit mode? The 64 bit mode has to temporarily install a 64 bit version of Avisynth, and it needs administrator access to do that, which is why you are getting some of those errors. The best way to run it in 64 bit mode is to open an administrator level command prompt window, and then run the batch file from there.

I tried to finesse the script so it wouldn't need to be run that way, but I couldn't do it. I'll take another look at it tonight though.
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@ Darkwizzie: This is the error I got.


Did you put the .dll files in C:/Windows/System32 and also disable UAC?
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