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Enthusiast is a mindset. An enthusiast could still be on LGA775 for all I care. As long as he is learning and trying to push hardware to its furthest extent, I consider him or her an enthusiast.

EDIT: Enthusiast: a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject.


^ This

The difference between LGA1150 and LGA2011, aside from performance, is money. Money does not an enthusiast make.
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I appreciate the feedback, It was more of a statement to get people going because I was reading and I thought the same thing, I noticed 2011 is considered the enthusiast platform, and i was like well just because I don't have 2011 doesn't mean i'm not an enthusiast for overclocking or pc's. Even though my CPU does suck thumb.gif 4.2 ghz what a joke LMAO, and no I didn't say that to get help because I have gotten all the help I can both from SIN and this thread. My CPU JUST SUCKS.
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Oh right, maybe you're right.

Kk, I'll add this info into the guide later.

Also with boards that have the "fixed" and "dynamic" mode feature for the cpu clock, such as ours, enabling "fixed" disables EIST. I'm pretty sure most would be aware, but it's not a bad thing to remind people of. thumb.gif
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But I am having EIST disabled to and still I am the one having these extra power management options?
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But I am having EIST disabled to and still I am the one having these extra power management options?

So even with EIST disabled you can set your minimum power state? Well then I'm at a loss.
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Yes, just double checked. EIST can be disabled from 2 different places in my BIOS (Asus). On in the tweaker tab. (called "Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology" and also another one at CPU Power management in another menu just called "EIST"

Ill guess theese maybe are linked to each other. But both of them are disabled for me anyway.
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Also with boards that have the "fixed" and "dynamic" mode feature for the cpu clock, such as ours, enabling "fixed" disables EIST. I'm pretty sure most would be aware, but it's not a bad thing to remind people of. thumb.gif

 

 

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But I am having EIST disabled to and still I am the one having these extra power management options?

 

 

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Originally Posted by DarkReign32 View Post


So even with EIST disabled you can set your minimum power state? Well then I'm at a loss.

 

 

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Yes, just double checked. EIST can be disabled from 2 different places in my BIOS (Asus). On in the tweaker tab. (called "Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology" and also another one at CPU Power management in another menu just called "EIST"

Ill guess theese maybe are linked to each other. But both of them are disabled for me anyway.

Well,

 

1. Yes Dark, the next guide update will include info on MSI board's multiplier mode setting.

2. Second, EIST does not affect idle power. EIST affects idle core clock. On MSI mobo, idle core clock is independent of idle voltage. On MSI, idle voltage is determined by C states and idle core clock is determined by EIST.
3. All this will be thouroughly ironed out by me in the next guide update, at least for MSI anyways. For Asus and other brands I'll just put a blanket statement out right now, as board power features vary so much.

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I cannot raise my cache freq above 39 without getting errors.

Vcore 1.343
Core feq 4.7
Cache volt 1.260
Cache freq 39
input voltage 2.1 volts
Ram 2400 1.68v
XTU test can reach 81c during the 10min stress at the above settings.

I had my cache voltage at 1.35 and lowered my ram to 1300 and it still freezes above 3.9 cache freq. I only wanted to run it at 4.2 I have tried everything I can find in these forums. The only way I can run 4.7 core is with cache 3.9 or below. I think OC the cache with 4.7 is reaching thermol limits but its hard to tell. it will pass everything then freeze doing something light like watching a video.

my cache overclocks to 1/1 at 4.5ghz and below with 4.6core being 4.4 cache.

I am finding mixed answers on leaving such a large spread between cache and core but my benchmarks show the 4.7 core being the strongest.

Is this common as you reach the chips higher OC for cache to get hard to oc ?
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I cannot raise my cache freq above 39 without getting errors.

Vcore 1.343
Core feq 4.7
Cache volt 1.260
Cache freq 39
input voltage 2.1 volts
Ram 2400 1.68v
XTU test can reach 81c during the 10min stress at the above settings.

I had my cache voltage at 1.35 and lowered my ram to 1300 and it still freezes above 3.9 cache freq. I only wanted to run it at 4.2 I have tried everything I can find in these forums. The only way I can run 4.7 core is with cache 3.9 or below. I think OC the cache with 4.7 is reaching thermol limits but its hard to tell. it will pass everything then freeze doing something light like watching a video.

my cache overclocks to 1/1 at 4.5ghz and below with 4.6core being 4.4 cache.

I am finding mixed answers on leaving such a large spread between cache and core but my benchmarks show the 4.7 core being the strongest.

Is this common as you reach the chips higher OC for cache to get hard to oc ?

Mixed answers? Unless people have evidence to back up their claims, their words are garbage. You decided to check it out for yourself before drinking the cool-aid and kudos to you for that, good idea. This thread is anti 1:1 cache ratio. I have benchmarks after benchmarks showing the 1:1 cache ratio idea is useless. For a frame of reference, people were talking about how using an extra 0.08 vcore or so to raise one multiplier is 'not worth it' because we can't tell any real world benefits. Well, ok. I constantly showed that an increase in multiplier by 1 is larger difference than uncore by 7. So now we divide an amount of performance increase which we 'can't tell any real world benefits' and divide that increase by 7.

 

All of my stances on uncore is listed on the first page, along with charts and benchmarks. I'm assuming you don't know that this is a thread revolving around my guide on the first page, because the guide on the first page contains a link showing 120 overclock settings from 120 different OCN members. You can easily draw a conclusion from looking at the data there. So yes, it is common to be unable to reach 1:1 cache ratio at higher OCs. This is why the idea of 1:1 cache ratio is detrimental to the common Haswell owner: it tempts people to get 1:1 and because 1:1 is harder to achieve at higher core clocks, they'll want to lower core clock just to get 1:1.

 

So really, I wouldn't worry about your cache ratio. You have it at 3.9 already. Now on the other hand, your cache seems to be OCing very poorly compared to your core overclock which is definately above average. So I guess my first question would be, is your core OC truly stable? Have you spent some time using your computer normally with that core OC? Because it's much more confusing if your core is unstable - then how do we know if your uncore is stable or it's just core acting up, or if it's both?

 

On the other hand, from personal testing on my CPU and a few other members, unstable uncore often results in 124 Bsods and lock-ups. There's not all that much to uncore OCing... just raise uncore and raise voltage, so either it works or it doesn't. I mean, you could try upping that uncore voltage by a bit, but if you really can't get past x39 I wouldn't sweat it.

If you're interested, try testing uncore at 3.4ghz vs 3.9ghz and see just how small the difference is. That's 3.4ghz uncore and 4.7ghz core, that's over a ghz of a gap. In theory that should produce super ultra mega bottlenecks, right? Once you see how small of a difference it makes, it might bring your spirits up. :o
 

Regardless of whether you take my advice or not, can you fill out this form when your OC is done please? Like I said, I'm keeping track of OCN members' OC settings for reference.

 

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CPU Model:
Core Multiplier: [If you used Blck strap, put what Blck and mention your resulting frequency]
CPU VID: This is the CPU core voltage value you input into BIOS.
Vcore: This is the CPU Vcore reading from Hwinfo or HWMonitor under load. "Load" depends on what you're stressing.
Uncore Multiplier:
Uncore Voltage:
Cooling Solution:
Stability Test: [Any test is OK, synthetic or not. List how long test is run.]
Batch Number: [Malay or Costa Rica chip? Please list the entire batch number if you can.]
Ram Speed: [Timings if you know them.]
Ram Voltage: [If stock, ignore this.]
Input Voltage: [aka VCCIN, Vrin, Eventual Input Voltage]
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Here is some info for your log . This is not the 4670k I posted about earlier. This is the first one I purchased. Even though it did not overclock really high the temps were almost even and rather low across all the cores compared to my new one at the same voltage.

Username: Wirerat
CPU Model: 4670k
Core Multiplier: 44
CPU VID: 1.362
Vcore: 1.78
Uncore Multiplier: 42
Uncore Voltage:1.3
Cooling Solution: H110 push only stock fans
Stability Test: 60 mins XTU cpu stress. XTU benchmark. CInebench. Valley
Batch Number: Costa Rica 3314B754
Ram Speed: 2400 mhz 11-13-13-34-1
Ram Voltage: 1.68v
Input Voltage: 2.1v
LLC Setting: [AUTO]
Motherboard: Asus Z87-Plus
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4770k 4.5ghz @1.29v asus z87-A EVGA 4gb GTX 970 FTW 1510mhz 8000mem 1.23v Adata XPG 8GB @ 2400mhz 11-13-13-35-1 
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EK Coolstream 360mm PE Rad  Gentle typhoon AP-15 X 3 Fractal Design 140mm 1000RPM X3 Fractal Design Venturi High Flow Series 140mm F... 
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Bitspower DDC Heatsink Black EK Coolstream XTC 140mm Rad EK Supremecy MX  EK FC980 Strix Water Block 
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swiftech MCP-35X EK XRES 140 DDC Top WIN 7 ULTIMATE smk link 
PowerCaseMouseOther
Seasonic G-750  Fractal Design R5 G700s HDHOMERUN 3 TUNER CABLE CARD 
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4770k 4.5ghz @1.29v asus z87-A EVGA 4gb GTX 970 FTW 1510mhz 8000mem 1.23v Adata XPG 8GB @ 2400mhz 11-13-13-35-1 
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Swiftech MCR-320 XP 360mm rad Swiftech MCR-320 XP 120mm rad EK Supreme LTX Cpu block Biitspower ACX GTX 970 Water block 
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