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I had a goal of 4.6 and I hit it with 1:1 ratio with no problem on the original BIOS. A BIOS update (at Asus' insistence) borked my original settings and, with the new BIOS, 4.6 had voltage spiking higher than I liked under adaptive control. Haven't had the time to test much since as been swamped at the office, but I did experiment a bit w/ RoG Real Bench at 45/45 down to 45/39.

On 3 of the 4 benchmarks in the test suite, I saw no significant (> 2%) differences. Well let me qualify that ... in the Open CL testing I saw random spikes....if I ran it 5 times at the higher cache settings, I'd get 4 with the exact same number and then 1 with a significantly higher number..... weird thing as, at any given setting, there was only 2 numbers..... run it 25 times and get 20 at the lower number and 5 at the higher number.... no variations whatsoever. At the lower cache settings this didn't happen, all were consistent.

However, on the Image Editing portion of the test, things were different. While the other 3 tests showed no differences across the board.... things changed here:

At 45/45 I scored 119,452
At 45/42 I scored 119,434 (99.985% of 45/45)
At 45/39 I scored 116,756 (97.743% of 45/45)

* Scoring .... that was an average of 3 tests ..... procedure was reboot, make BIOS changes to cache settings, run test once to "warm things up", repeat test 3 times and average results. All BIOS settings were at defaults other than VID and adaptive control (and obviously cache settings).... my guess is if you have lots of manual BIOS edits, you may get different results. Then I did 45/45 over 2 dozen times to try and get a handle on the Open CL thing but the results just continued with the weird exact same two numbers

Here's the overall % difference on average scores that I saw between 45/45 and 45/39 .... your mileage may vary depending on other BIOS settings / versions, hardware, and other variables.

Image Editing = 2.31%
Encoding = 1.30%
Open CL = 0.00%
Heavy Multitasking = 1.25%
Total Score = 1.63%

And for 42 versus 39

Image Editing = 2.29%
Encoding = 0.90%
Open CL = 0.00%
Heavy Multitasking = -0.06%
Total Score = 1.22%

I did get one run in at 46/39 and got 119,860 on the Image Editing (3 scores under 45/45 were 119,525 / 118,864 / 119,966) and 99,189 under encoding (3 scores under 45/45 were 98,655 / 98,614 / 98,718). I shut the test down at that point as voltage spiked to 1.48 under Open CL test, so didn't get averages.

Went back and did 45/44 and 45/43 and again saw no significant difference in performance .... < 0.1%

Will go back and do 45/40 and 45/41 when I get time but any free time I have had has been focused getting my sleeving done, on undoing what the new BIOS did and getting my 4.6GHz OC back at the original voltages.

I your case, given the initial single test result at 46/39, it would appear (would want some repeats before I could say conclusively) that 46/39 would be a little better than 45/45 ..... but 45/45, at least with RoG Real Bench is clearly better than 45/39 .... at least with my hardware, BIOS and BIOS settings.

Again, this is w/ the 1102 BIOS .... Didn't play with cache much while I had the original 0804.... and peeps are still squealing about the 1102 and, 12xx version also .... not much feedback as yet on the new 13xx version.

Thanks JackNaylorPE. Your OC settings are the same as mine (45/45 2400mem) and I was wondering about the affect of uncore ratio. I can believe different applications as well as different memory speeds may have an affect on the performance because, after all, all cross core L3 cache / memory requests and responses need to have an open slot on the ring to handle the transactions to and from the particular core. If the ring is running "too slow" then it can get "backed up" like a highway during rush hour (a loose analogy here). The question is where the knee on the curve really is. I think you might be hinting at one ... at least the image editing test. That particular result is consistent with some other passing remarks on the web around uncore to core ratio differences. Which probably means, that test is doing well in terms of keeping the ring busy.
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Which drivers?

Frankly, I don't remember. The info is scattered and incomplete on what fixes the issue and it took me a while. Some say simply updating the Killer MSI drivers to the latest version fixes issues. Some say it has to be from the Killer website, not the MSI website. Some say you have to download a version without the Killer control panel, just the drivers, as their software control panel thingymabob caused issues.

 

Isn't it sad that a NIC driver can cause Bsods? I also used to get internet drop outs. This is on a wired connection, it's not due to a finnicky wireless connection. Only conclusion was the mobo's NIC causing issues. Nowdays it's so rare I don't even remember to care. But for a while in the past it was bad. I would think my efforts at trying out different drivers lowered the Bsod and internet dropout rates.

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So I finally got stable at 4.7 w/ 1.31v. Cannot get 4.8 for the life of me. Has anybody messed around overclocking through base clocks and had better success stabilizing higher clock speeds? Since I started to hit some big voltage walls from 4.6-4.7 and 4.7-4.8 I am wondering if I would have better luck playing with baseclocks instead and if that may be the key to really pushing the chip. Thanks!
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So I finally got stable at 4.7 w/ 1.31v. Cannot get 4.8 for the life of me. Has anybody messed around overclocking through base clocks and had better success stabilizing higher clock speeds? Since I started to hit some big voltage walls from 4.6-4.7 and 4.7-4.8 I am wondering if I would have better luck playing with baseclocks instead and if that may be the key to really pushing the chip. Thanks!

Better to leave BCLK at default. Unless I'm mistaken there really isn't much benefit to raising that.

Having a problem similar to yours. Only thing I haven't tried yet is altering uncore ratio (default on my board is 1:1), would relaxing that a bit help?
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It might. You don't really need it that high. I think that generally people leave it at stock/auto or run something like 1.15v and x33 while pushing the multiplier higher. I also would not just raise the bclk on my current OC. I would start from scratch.

Edit: Side note. Any verdict on memory oc with haswell? Higher speed vs tighter timings or is going to be completely benchmark dependent? Running 2133 CL9 currently and not really sure whether to try for CL8 or push speeds up above 2400.
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Is that a clear nai polish used on the VRMs?
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Is that a clear nai polish used on the VRMs?
yes
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Hi there, I'm mostly done:

Username: mistercoffee1
CPU Model: 4670K
Core Multiplier: 44X
CPU VID: 1.265
Vcore: 1.264
Uncore Multiplier: 38X
Uncore Voltage: Auto
Cooling Solution: Noctua NH-U14S
Stability Test: x264, 20 Passes
Batch Number: Costa Rica 3319C231
Ram Speed: 1600 9 9 9 24
Ram Voltage: 1.5
Input Voltage: Auto, at 1.744
LLC Setting: Note, 25% in the VDroop in Digitall power options.
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45

Unfortunately, these are the only screen captures I obtained:


Edited by mistercoffee1 - 1/30/14 at 7:57pm
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well got a new mobo yesterday and got the same code 00..... so my 4770k died, got approved for RMA with intel and shipped the cpu out today thumb.gif

cpu was also delided with clp on the die so i just glued it back together. we'll see how it goes



im 99% sure it didnt die from me deliding but died from the bent pins on the motherboard

Damn, you sent in a delidded cpu for RMA?

Please let us know how that goes. If Intel does not hassle you or question, I might be whacking mine with a hammer regardless
  
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Damn, you sent in a delidded cpu for RMA?

Please let us know how that goes. If Intel does not hassle you or question, I might be whacking mine with a hammer regardless

definitely will report back wink.gif
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