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Originally Posted by blaze2210 View Post

So you picked some random settings, got a BSOD, ignored the error code (which hints at what needs to be adjusted), and somehow it's the CPU's fault? Educate yourself on the workings of Haswell before you blame the instability on the CPU....

That's like not knowing how to work on cars, and blaming the car because you're not a mechanic....wink.gif

NOTE: I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but it gets a bit irritating when people are constantly coming in this thread saying that their CPU sucks....If you read the 1st page of this thread, you will gain some knowledge....If you read the rest of the pages, you will gain even more....thumb.gif There were about 600 pages when I first found this thread, and I read every post in each page long before I even posted the 1st time in here. By the time I got to the last page, virtually EVERY question I had was already asked and answered....2cents.gif

I did not pick some random settings.. I read the rog OC guide which explains EVERY settings available and I think i know what i'm doing.
I did not ignore the error code, I wrote it here. It's 124 and i know it usually means its a problem with vcore or vuncore, which I said i didnt want to go over 1.3v.
The guides said to try with ram at 1600-1333 which I tried... won't even last 30seconds at 44 with 1333
On the first page i see people doing 4.6 + 4.2 uncore and ram @ 2400 or so with ridiculous voltages like 1.27... so I was just saying that there is some crazy luck involved in getting such chips. So compared to these chips YES I think i can say that my chip sucks donkey balls. I mean, it goes to 1.3v at stock settings on load...
Edited by Gugus03 - 2/7/14 at 5:24pm
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You should be just fine with blck moved that little. It's when you move it to like 115 no strap that issues could arise.
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I got a bsod 101, 3 weeks after ocing and delidding playing bf4, could it just be a fluke since I have played like 20hrs of bf4 and just crashed now? Should i re enable cstates to make sure it does not happen again?
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Well that is good to hear. Was driving me insane not to be able to hit a stable 4.8. Will still continue to tweak and see how far I can push. Would love to get over 5 just for benching and fun

Doh. Forgot to quote.
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I did not pick some random settings.. I read the rog OC guide which explains EVERY settings available and I think i know what i'm doing.
I did not ignore the error code, I wrote it here. It's 124 and i know it usually means its a problem with vcore or vuncore, which I said i didnt want to go over 1.3v.
The guides said to try with ram at 1600-1333 which I tried... won't even last 30seconds at 44 with 1333
On the first page i see people doing 4.6 + 4.2 uncore and ram @ 2400 or so with ridiculous voltages like 1.27... so I was just saying that there is some crazy luck involved in getting such chips. So compared to these chips YES I think i can say that my chip sucks donkey balls. I mean, it goes to 1.3v at stock settings on load...

Ok then....Start out by Increasing your VCCIN/VRIN/Input Voltage....From what you described about the increase in vcore, it sounds like you might have adaptive voltage on - if you do, make sure it is NEVER on for stability testing....As a matter of fact, there's really no reason to have the voltages set to adaptive at all....Is there some particular reason why you are not wanting to go over 1.3v vcore? There is no rig listed in your signature, so I have no clue what cooling solution you're using - ie no way for me/us to know whether or not you're temp limited....

As far as the ram is concerned, you OC one thing at a time, that way you can lower the amount of variables when it comes down to figuring out what is causing instability....You can do things the difficult way (which honestly is the way I did it), but it does take quite a bit more time and patience to get your settings to be stable....Also, you made no mention of any changes to the IA, ID, and System Agent (not sure if they're called this on your board) voltages - those will help you out when you start increasing the speed of your RAM and everything else....
post #9686 of 19603
People who own Haswell and require a 4.5 overclock at minimum should:

- delid, and/or
- actually have proper cooling. This "evo 212" nonsense is D Grade cooling for plebs.

Then, just maybe, you'll be able to use a real vCore such as 1.35v. All you guys want 4.5+ with less than 1.30v and getting disappointed when it doesn't happen, when the table at the start of this guide shows almost no one using less than 1.30v for 4.5 and above. You're all suggesting you have a crap chip when in fact you have no idea what it's capable of because you refuse to use a real Vcore. The only thing that "not stable with 4.5 and 1.2X Vcore" means is that you don't have a golden chip.
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If I'm pushing 1.35 VCore just looking for a 4.4-4.5 OC with a 4670K and MSI Z87-GD65, and can barely boot much less test....... should I be concerned?
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My first 4770k required 1.38 for 4.4.

To answer your question more directly, nope.
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People who own Haswell and require a 4.5 overclock at minimum should:

- delid, and/or
- actually have proper cooling. This "evo 212" nonsense is D Grade cooling for plebs.

Then, just maybe, you'll be able to use a real vCore such as 1.35v. All you guys want 4.5+ with less than 1.30v and getting disappointed when it doesn't happen, when the table at the start of this guide shows almost no one using less than 1.30v for 4.5 and above. You're all suggesting you have a crap chip when in fact you have no idea what it's capable of because you refuse to use a real Vcore. The only thing that "not stable with 4.5 and 1.2X Vcore" means is that you don't have a golden chip.

Most of that probably stems from the three step guide and when haswell first came out an Asus rep said to start at 4.5 w/ 1.2 and see if it boots. If it did you supposedly had an average chip, stable was golden. I think since then we have figured out that 4.5 stable at 1.2 is really rare. Agree with you on coolers though, evo will probably not cut it for vast majority of people trying to hit 4.5 on haswell. Evo was a godsend on sandy bridge but not so much with haswell.
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the table at the start of this guide shows almost no one using less than 1.30v for 4.5 and above

For 4.5, 23 of 36 entries (64%) have a VID of less than 1.3v, and none of those even reported a load vCore of 1.3v or more. 15 of the entries (42%) actually have a VID of 1.25v or lower.

Even at 4.6, 16 of 25 entries (64%) have a VID of less than 1.3V, with only 1 reporting a load vCore of 1.3v or more. 11 of the entries (44%) have a VID of 1.25v or lower.

Edit: To be clear, this doesn't necessarily mean that the majority of chips can hit 4.5 at under 1.3v. The VID numbers at 4.4 are actually worse than at 4.5. If the people at 4.4 and below were to push their chips to 4.5, it would almost surely increase the average VID needed for 4.5. Likewise, if the people above 4.5 were to roll back their OCs to 4.5, it would likely lower the average VID at 4.5.

Figuring out what it would take for an average chip to hit 4.5 is probably not possible, given our limited data. Nonetheless, I don't think it's remotely correct to conclude that almost no one is using less than 1.3v to hit 4.5.
Edited by fritzdis - 2/7/14 at 8:26pm
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