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There's only so much I can do to gather data. I've already been bugging people over and over in the past to try to get data. Some people are too lazy to tell me what they're running and I've even had to go out and PM people after they've submitted OC entries months later to ensure they are still stable.


I'll have a lot of fun trying to get random people who don't even post in this thread to cough up settings but telling them to run a specific number of prime hours and have the picture when they don't even know who I am, lol.
Hi, my name is Wizzie.

The batch number is taken as the first three digits of the number. So for you I would put 331. I believe the Malay people have batch numbers that read 312xxxxx (for example), so their batch would be listed as 312. So I don't think first number indicates location. But the new policy now is to display the entire batch number for less confusion and more complete data.
Good luck, please come back and report your results.

We've got another incident of Vrin affecting stability again. buttkick.gif


That very line was used against my guide. I still recall that. JJ has tests thousands of CPUs, what does poor Darkwizzie have?
I can spend time to maintain a chart but the effort is for naught if I cannot prove the validity of my data. So I guess now I have to back and PM many, many people. Fun!

I don't think people go back to like Prime v20 or something on purpose, I think almost all Prime users run 27.9, it's the standard. If people are willing to cheat at Prime to validate or claim validation, then they can just flat out make stuff up instead of wasting time with an ancient Prime version.


While there are factors that bring up the average overclock up, there are also people who refuse to go past a set amount of voltage. And that voltage may be low, and some people caught on Linpack or die or even Prime or Die mentalities. Which is their choice, but that sort of testing lowers their maximum OC. So there are forces that push the max OC up and things that bring it down. Binning isn't really that common and when I see it I can put up a double entry for the user for both CPUs.


You could even read my entry and see, look, crashes at x20 pass x264, the very stress test and length which I recommended and I started this thread! Yet, it's been months with tons of CPU usage from chess and I'm still fine with my stability. In fact, I actually upped my uncore by 100mhz with no side effects. Although, the people with less amounts of stress testing charted don't have as extensive notes on stability as my entry. A disproportionately high amount of users at the start reported good OCs, we're talking 4.7, 4.8 basically. That was the start of the chart. As time goes by I try to add more data and more followup calls and whatnot, picture verification, to try to get the validity of the data to go higher without forcing every charted person to run my stress tests - as nobody would bother doing that.

Yeah, I agree with the final conclusion.

Again, it really depends on the stress test in question and the voltage required. And since voltage varies so much, and stress tests vary so much, the guidelines for what cooling solution is 'required' are very broad. Some are on HT, some are not. But I think starting with D14 or Silver Arrow is a good choice. If you're on 212 and you want to upgrade, now you've got a 212 you can't use and isn't worth the hassle of selling. 
C states enabled to C7. 


Should I chart that or...?
Got it.

How long did it take you? I changed the settings to 100 posts per page and now this thread only has 98 pages for me.
Do come back when you're done testing.

Maybe the best option from start to finish is, as you get towards the end is to not up the multiplier for a few days. Like if you're on x45, cool, you passed whatever stress test you feel is good. Now go game for a few days and don't come back until you've nolifed other games.



You mean throttle the speed of the processor? Most likely yes. But with power settings, they vary a whole lot from mobo to mobo. Not kidding, testing it across mobos was hell because one mobo would act different with the same setting on another brand.
Define 'too much'.

I'll chart you soon, I promise. Did you update your settings? Screw it, I'll pm you.





Please ask Forceman, he's the man to ask.


You could try to just work with what you know to be stable. Go to 46:34. Up that Vcore and up that Vrin.
Probably won't have. If you do, probably won't have to up it by any sort of dangerous amount.

Still working on the OC? Don't leave me hanging.


I was reading the posts when I had free time at work - so a combined total of about 7 hours, spanned over 3 days....

Also, Wizzie, I was able to get a slightly higher stable OC - I got 4.7ghz @ 1.41v VID, 1.956v Input, 42x cache @ 1.26v....thumb.gif And managed to lower the voltage needed for my 4.6 OC down to 1.38v....biggrin.gif
Edited by blaze2210 - 2/8/14 at 11:18am
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I was reading the posts when I had free time at work - so a combined total of about 7 hours, spanned over 3 days....

Also, Wizzie, I was able to get a slightly higher stable OC - I got 4.7ghz @ 1.41v VID, 1.956v Input, 42x cache @ 1.26v....thumb.gif And managed to lower the voltage needed for my 4.6 OC down to 1.38v....biggrin.gif

What do I put as stress test?
Now I have the highest Vcore/Vrin for 4.6 again w00!

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You're using the wrong version of CPU-Z and looking at the VID sensor and not at your vcore.

VID does not drop, vcore does.

Isn't this in the guide?

I have not answered this question 20 times in this thread alone, it must be 30 by now - and that's only half of the times i've answered this on OCN.

Use 1.64.0 for Haswell only until they fix it (but i'm not counting on it since they used the wrong sensor for 6+ months)

Actually it wasn't cpuz



I'm guessing it's because I'm using an asus board.
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What do I put as stress test?

Now I have the highest Vcore/Vrin for 4.6 again w00!

Welcome back Wizz,where u been?
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Actually it wasn't cpuz



I'm guessing it's because I'm using an asus board.
you can always just use adaptive.. i have an asus board and in adaptive my vcore drops do 0.7 in idle.
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you can always just use adaptive.. i have an asus board and in adaptive my vcore drops do 0.7 in idle.

I was under the impression that manual/fixed would downvolt on its own, so I'm assuming adaptive is giga/msi's normal?
Wasn't able to find too much on this but I read a few posts on other websites that had users
with maximus VI ____ using manual and downvolting fine so I'm not exactly sure.
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Welcome back Wizz,where u been?

Learning and trying to create a new mod for Skyrim, living life, shopping, eating, sleeping, video game playing, school, work, spellchecking my book, wasting time. Mostly I was taking a break from the thread because trolls were running rampant and I needed a break before I virtually disassemble some people over the internet and detonate C4 on OCN.net servers.

I think I'll hold off on the C4.

 

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I was under the impression that manual/fixed would downvolt on its own, so I'm assuming adaptive is giga/msi's normal?
Wasn't able to find too much on this but I read a few posts on other websites that had users
with maximus VI ____ using manual and downvolting fine so I'm not exactly sure.
Long story short: Gigabyte's power saving is implemented through Cstates only. Adaptive isn't an option. In MSI boards, EIST controls idle clock speed, C states control idle voltage. Adaptive is a dummy function that only serves as a danger to those accidently running Prime on it and is useless. I know, on Asus it's not useless. That's the headache inducing part. The functions of the same exact settings differ from mobo to mobo.

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I was under the impression that manual/fixed would downvolt on its own, so I'm assuming adaptive is giga/msi's normal?
Wasn't able to find too much on this but I read a few posts on other websites that had users
with maximus VI ____ using manual and downvolting fine so I'm not exactly sure.
with asus boards its different on adaptive for some reason.
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with asus boards its different on adaptive for some reason

I think it's the mobo vendors tweaking with things behind the scenes that cause these differences. Why Asus did what they did, I don't know.

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Long story short: Gigabyte's power saving is implemented through Cstates only. Adaptive isn't an option. In MSI boards, EIST controls idle clock speed, C states control idle voltage. Adaptive is a dummy function that only serves as a danger to those accidently running Prime on it and is useless. I know, on Asus it's not useless. That's the headache inducing part. The functions of the same exact settings differ from mobo to mobo.

That makes much more sense now thumb.gif +rep

So assuming I found my stable vcore is there any reason to use adaptive over offset?
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