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Originally Posted by Darkwizzie View Post

Different motherboards, different results. Confusing? Yes. MSI boards don't need adaptive, so we get idle voltage drop without any of the negatives.

I'm using an MSI board so I'll have to give it a try.
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Same on my asus maximus impact, I just set manual vcore and enable C states, HWinfo says voltage drops to 0.000v or 0.016v... tongue.gif

Wait, what?
I've heard people say that the Asus Maximus VI lowers voltage only when adaptive is set.

 

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I'm using an MSI board so I'll have to give it a try.

Try setting voltage mode to manual, C states on to C7. 

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Wait, what?

I've heard people say that the Asus Maximus VI lowers voltage only when adaptive is set.

Try setting voltage mode to manual, C states on to C7. 


I confirm you that with manual voltage and C states on auto, voltage drops !
I dont use adaptative or offset anymore...

For instance at 1.28 in Bios set in manual, HWiNFO64 displays

Core #x VID: 1.279 Min and Max
Vcore x: 0.000v Min and 1.296v Max (it's always vcore + 0.016 at max load)


I assume 0.000v means that the core is switched off ?
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I confirm you that with manual voltage and C states on auto, voltage drops !
I dont use adaptative or offset anymore...

For instance at 1.28 in Bios set in manual, HWiNFO64 displays

Core #x VID: 1.279 Min and Max
Vcore x: 0.000v Min and 1.296v Max (it's always vcore + 0.016 at max load)


I assume 0.000v means that the core is switched off ?

What version of HWinfo is being used? And another possibility is that the adaptive function varies from Asus Maximus Hero VI to Impact. 

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Try setting voltage mode to manual, C states on to C7. 

If I enable any of the C state package options my computer skips horribly.
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What version of HWinfo is being used? And another possibility is that the adaptive function varies from Asus Maximus Hero VI to Impact. 

It's the latest from website, don't remember what was the number.
But in CPUID the voltage is also decreasing to 0.016v at minimum, its mostly around 0.160-0.3xx on idle
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If I enable any of the C state package options my computer skips horribly.

Which board? I have MSI G45. I've never had any skipping issues. Any odd stuff measured in HWinfo? o.o

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but it seems on Asus and Asrock mobos they have a use.

...if you don't want to use C states that is.

Otherwise it's completely useless and considering 99% of people here have C states ON it means it's useless to those 99% of people. So it's pick your poison kind of thing, know the programs that cause that volt jump in Adaptive and live without C states or enable C states, move to Manual and live worry-free. Nobody should of course waste their time with offset mode.

Anyway, I'm happily running x41 Multi @ 1.12v still, no issues. Starting to really wonder what the point is running/trying x45 with this chip if it wanted +1.3v.. something just seems off.
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...if you don't want to use C states that is.

Otherwise it's completely useless and considering 99% of people here have C states ON it means it's useless to those 99% of people. So it's pick your poison kind of thing, know the programs that cause that volt jump in Adaptive and live without C states or enable C states, move to Manual and live worry-free. Nobody should of course waste their time with offset mode.

Anyway, I'm happily running x41 Multi @ 1.12v still, no issues. Starting to really wonder what the point is running/trying x45 with this chip if it wanted +1.3v.. something just seems off.

Outlaw did some tests:

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Ok guys here is some better screen shots the first two are Manual voltage with all c-states disabled,the second two are adaptive with all c-states disabled. What i have noticed is by having manual voltage set with c-state disabled ,my vcore stays at the vid setting in the bios it does not fluctuate at all but my core speed still fluctuates. Adaptive voltage with no c-states lets the core voltage fluctuate and it lets the core speed fluctuate also.
Also to note my uncore speed does not change in either of these settings. Also i used the latest Beta for HwInfo

Mobo: Asus Hero
Cpu: 4770k
Core speed: 45
Uncore speed: 43
Vcore volt: 1.36
Uncorevolt: 1.25






 

His tests all had Cstates disabled. So you're saying that you can achieve low idle voltage either by having adaptive on, or by having Cstates on? So that, Adaptive with no Cstates has low idle, and manual with cstates also has low idle voltage?
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So specifically I want to know... Which settings must be activated to get idle voltage drop, which settings must be activated to get idle clock speed to drop, and which settings don't seem to do anything.

For the maximus VI gene (I assume it's the same for all other rog z87) there's Fully Manual enabled and Fully Manual disabled.
Having it enabled locks the voltage and downclocks fine, disabled allows allows both downclocking and downvolting.

Right now I'm using manual mode disabled and manual voltage and it's downvolting and downclocking (all c states enabled) without having to use adaptive or offset.


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