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Hi guys, this is...I think my first time or one of my first times posting here. I read this full guide but since I'm overclocking it on an Asus Z87-Pro there seem to be some differences and I want to clarify them before I end up making changes that shouldn't be done. I hope you can tolerate my lack of experience with Haswell overclocking.

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i5-4670k 6mb cache
Asus Z87-Pro
8GB G.Skill sniper 1833mhz DDR3 RAM F3-14900 9-10-9-28 (2x4ghz)
Corsair H100i water cooler
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB SSD
2x Sapphire Radeon Vapor-X HD 7950 OC

Went into the BIOS looking for the multiplier number and couldn't seem to find it...

I'll list off what I came across:
AI Overclock Tuner: Auto>Manual ?
CPU Core Ratio: Auto> Sync All Cores ?
Min/Max CPU Cache Ratio: Auto ?
Internal PLL Overvoltage: Auto ?
Bclk Frequency : DRAM Frequency Ratio: Auto > 100:100 or 100:133 ?
DRAM Frequency: Set to 1600mhz (following above change) ?
CPU Core Voltage: Auto > Manual ?
CPU Core Voltage Override: Auto > 1.2V (to start) ?
CPU Cache Voltage: Auto > Manual ?
CPU Cache Voltage Override: Auto > 1.2V (to start) ? (In the BIOS it indicates that this is the Uncore)
SVID Control: Auto > Disabled ?
CPU Input Voltage: Auto > 1.9V (to start) ?
CPU Spread Spectrum: Auto > Disabled ?
CPU Voltage Frequency: Auto > Manual ?
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology: Enabled > Disabled ?
Turbo Mode: Enabled > Disabled ?
Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor: Enabled > Disabled ?
EIST: Enabled > Disabled ?
Turbo Mode: Enabled > Disabled ?
CPU C States: Auto > Enabled ?
Package C State Support: Auto > CPU C7 ?

Sorry for the huge list. The last overclock I did was on my intel e8600 wolfdale and this is far different and more complex in comparison.

Thanks ahead of time!
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Then what does adaptive voltage mode do? Outlaw's test includes him testing manual - Cstates off vs adaptive - Cstates off, and it shows a voltage drop. So then this means both adaptive and Cstates drop voltage.
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My best guess is that Intel has developed the adaptive voltage capacity, and thus has asked American Megatrends to include it in the respective z87 bios'. In addition to this feature, some manufacturers have also figured out how to modify this feature in a way which doesn't have the same drawbacks (avx voltage spike), and this feature is also being built into the bios'.

Purely a guess, but I think it explains why there's two features achieving the same thing with varying degrees of success.

I really think folks are just confusing voltage actually going down versus voltage appearing to go down.

From my understanding:
adaptive and offset will both actually lower the Vcore ... but only when EIST lowers the core multiplier (frequency).
manual voltage never lowers Vcore regardless of EIST lowering the frequency or not (disabled)

Now enter C states in this discussion: C3/C6/C7 will do the same thing when enabled and active: lower the core volts to 0v. That is to say, it will shut down the core. (How much of the core shuts down increases as the C# increases.) Let's say for 2 seconds a core spent 75% of the time at C7 and 25% active. If a Vcore monitor program was only updating the measured Vcore every 2 seconds what would the value be during that interval? 75% of the time it was at 0v, the other 25% at VID (+a little and assuming manual voltage mode). Given say 1.35v for "active Vcore", my own belief is it would report (.75*0v) + (.25*1.35) = .3375v. This isn't really a down voltage just an averaging with 0. This makes sense to me as I can't imagine the silicon running any instructions at turbo multiplier being stable at anything other than VID. Only when it's not doing work and shut down in a C state can that voltage go down and in that case to 0.
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Hi,

New here to Haswell OC. I have a question. I am running a 4770k on a Asus Hero and have it OC to $GHz right now.

I am using adaptive voltage control (after stress testing with fixed voltage). So I have both the core and ring voltages set to adaptive. I noticed though that at idle my ring voltage wasn't dropping. I had my core multiplier set to 40 and booth my min and max ring set to 37. So I figured my ring was not clocking down. I set it to 300 MHz lower than I thought my lowest core multiplier would be and I saw the ring voltage dip as expected.

So it seems odd to me to have a max and min ring multiplier but only a max core multiplier.

My question: Is there some utility that will show me the current ring multiplier (or equivalently ring MHz)? Asus Suite III doesn't seem to, CPU-Z doesn't either.

TIA
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Hi,

New here to Haswell OC. I have a question. I am running a 4770k on a Asus Hero and have it OC to $GHz right now.

I am using adaptive voltage control (after stress testing with fixed voltage). So I have both the core and ring voltages set to adaptive. I noticed though that at idle my ring voltage wasn't dropping. I had my core multiplier set to 40 and booth my min and max ring set to 37. So I figured my ring was not clocking down. I set it to 300 MHz lower than I thought my lowest core multiplier would be and I saw the ring voltage dip as expected.

So it seems odd to me to have a max and min ring multiplier but only a max core multiplier.

My question: Is there some utility that will show me the current ring multiplier (or equivalently ring MHz)? Asus Suite III doesn't seem to, CPU-Z doesn't either.

TIA

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haha. I was just about to post nm - hwinfo64 has it. LOL. Don't know why I didn't look there right off - it has everything plus the kitchen sink,
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New here at OC.net... I learn a lot reading back smile.gif

Anyways, to clear one thing up, Prime95 is not primarily a stress test, it is just a feature that it has, Prime95 is a "distributed computing" client. So in that way, I would not(Well in my opinion) call it synthetic.
Edited by kracker - 2/10/14 at 5:24pm
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New here at OC.net... I learn a lot reading back smile.gif

Anyways, to clear one thing up, Prime95 is not primarily a stress test, it is just a feature that it has, Prime95 is a "distributed computing" client. So in that way, I would not(Well in my opinion) call it synthetic.

Either way, it's a program people very very rarely use normally without stress testing, it ups voltage under synthetic, and is also a stress test.

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Dark, did you see my post up top? Seems like it got ignored D:
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Hi guys, this is...I think my first time or one of my first times posting here. I read this full guide but since I'm overclocking it on an Asus Z87-Pro there seem to be some differences and I want to clarify them before I end up making changes that shouldn't be done. I hope you can tolerate my lack of experience with Haswell overclocking.

Rig:
i5-4670k 6mb cache
Asus Z87-Pro
8GB G.Skill sniper 1833mhz DDR3 RAM F3-14900 9-10-9-28 (2x4ghz)
Corsair H100i water cooler
Samsung 840 Pro 128GB SSD
2x Sapphire Radeon Vapor-X HD 7950 OC

Went into the BIOS looking for the multiplier number and couldn't seem to find it...

I'll list off what I came across:
AI Overclock Tuner: Auto>Manual ?
CPU Core Ratio: Auto> Sync All Cores ?
Min/Max CPU Cache Ratio: Auto ?
Internal PLL Overvoltage: Auto ?
Bclk Frequency : DRAM Frequency Ratio: Auto > 100:100 or 100:133 ?
DRAM Frequency: Set to 1600mhz (following above change) ?
CPU Core Voltage: Auto > Manual ?
CPU Core Voltage Override: Auto > 1.2V (to start) ?
CPU Cache Voltage: Auto > Manual ?
CPU Cache Voltage Override: Auto > 1.2V (to start) ? (In the BIOS it indicates that this is the Uncore)
SVID Control: Auto > Disabled ?
CPU Input Voltage: Auto > 1.9V (to start) ?
CPU Spread Spectrum: Auto > Disabled ?
CPU Voltage Frequency: Auto > Manual ?
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology: Enabled > Disabled ?
Turbo Mode: Enabled > Disabled ?
Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor: Enabled > Disabled ?
EIST: Enabled > Disabled ?
Turbo Mode: Enabled > Disabled ?
CPU C States: Auto > Enabled ?
Package C State Support: Auto > CPU C7 ?

Sorry for the huge list. The last overclock I did was on my intel e8600 wolfdale and this is far different and more complex in comparison.

Thanks ahead of time!

Core clock ratio = Multiplier
You also have to deal with the cache (ring) multiplier (CPU cache ratio). For performance considerations you will not want the max to be more than 3 less than the CPU ratio.

This is significantly different to overclock that the Sandy or Ivy Bridge that you should read up on some guides first. Like the one at the beginning of this thread or many others. Here are a couple that are ROG Maximus specific but should give you some ideas (you will have a subset of these). They provide detailed descriptions and guide from ASUS staff:

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33488-Maximus-VI-Series-UEFI-Guide-for-Overclocking&country=&status=
http://rog.asus.com/244672013/labels/featured/introduction-to-fully-integrated-voltage-regulators-fivr-on-maximus-vi/
Edited by GeneO - 2/10/14 at 7:15pm
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It's in there..

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