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    i7 3770k
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    i7 4770K
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post #21 of 29
This is such a good question, I'm seriously considering going with a 3570k or 3770k over the 4xxx series.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by abombthecoder View Post

This is such a good question, I'm seriously considering going with a 3570k or 3770k over the 4xxx series.

Honestly for a few $$$ more get the newer tech, which has more SATA 6G ports and AVX2 which is already being used and will be eventually, The CPU will be worth more when you go to sell it also.
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Emulators really? If you are buying a 4770K for emulation you are doing it wrong. AVX 2.0 implementation super slow. By the time it makes a difference 4770K will be irrelevant.

Yeah, if you want to play emulators fair enough. The point is that either CPU can run it fine at 50/60FPS (Depending on reigon) so why would you chose one that can run it "better". We won't see PS3/360 emulators for some time either so that is invalid tongue.gif
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post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

Emulators really? If you are buying a 4770K for emulation you are doing it wrong. AVX 2.0 implementation super slow. By the time it makes a difference 4770K will be irrelevant.

My mistake, what's the ZealotKi11er permissible computer use?
post #24 of 29
post #25 of 29
I disagree with a lot of the anti-haswell comments.

Everyone said Ivy ran a lot hotter, that Ivy overclocked worse than Sandy, when it first came out too, and now we know that it plain false.

Ivy and Haswell are both Sandy-Bridge based architectures. And, all 3 generations overclock essentially the same, they bin the same (ie ~50% can only do 4.5-4.6ghz at 1.45v or less, only 10% can do 5ghz at 1.5v or less, etc), and given the same binning, they take the same voltages for the same overclocks (ie an 'average' chip that can boot into OS at 4.6@1.2v, does ~4.7ghz@1.4v).

However, with Ivy, you had to delid to let it's cooler 22nm process show itself. Once you delidded Ivy, it actually ran cooler than Sandy. On top of that, as 22nm, it was also a lot hardier, and able to withstand a lot more voltage without degradation or death (degradation and death was basically unheard of on ivy until about a year later and at 1.5v+ for 24/7 workloads, and less than half a dozen people, although i was one of them). Although Ivy essentially overclocks the same as Sandy, in reality it overclocks further due to being way cooler and withstanding more voltage, but practically if you didn't delid, it overclocked less.

Haswell, is like Ivy. You need to delid it. However, due to the FIVR, it runs about 10C hotter. On top of this, there's the weird AVX issue where it artificially overvolts on AVX instructions like prime95. If you don't use AVX for stress testing, you are fine.

That said, you do need a better cooler. The problem is you have people buying $300+ CPUs, and using $20-40 coolers on them, which is just stupid. You don't buy a ferrari and put $50 tires on it.

High end air should really be the weakest cooler considerable for Haswell, and that's only for an i5. You really need to get a high end closed loop, preferably better than old gen 240s, something like an H100i, or H110/X60/Eisberg, or even better, a custom loop kit like an XSPC or H220.

The problem isn't haswell. The problem is people buying haswell, not delidding, and using cheap, crappy $30 coolers for $300 chips that are known to run hot. I have no problem running 4.8ghz@1.45v on a slightly below average chip with a delid, H110 with 4x Yate Loon Highs. I'm at a very cool 75C max, and that's in the 100 degree weather with no A/C. If you use an kuhler 620 (the worst 120mm still on the market), and not delidded, you are going to have a bad time.

It's like someone using a TRUE 120 on a Haswell. You are going to be laughed at. Yet somehow people think results on heatsinks 1/10th the value of the chip, known to run hot, that are 4+ years old, is relevant.

The way I calculate value, is going by $10 per 100mhz on AMD chips, which is about $20 per 100mhz on Sandy, $25 for Ivy, $30 per 100mhz for Haswell. So buying a $100 heatsink that can get me a good 200-300mhz above some $20-40 low or mid-level heatsink, is an awesome value (200-300mhz = $60-90, so an h110 for $100, vs an h60 for $50, yea, that makes the h110 an awesome 'value' heatsink when it comes to haswell, i'm basically 'saving' $90-60 - 50 = $40-10 for getting an h110 instead of h60).

TLDR Get an i7-4770K. It's a more expensive chip, so make sure to get a better cooler to go along with it, and delid it.
Edited by Belial - 7/20/13 at 12:20am
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post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

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Emulators really? If you are buying a 4770K for emulation you are doing it wrong. AVX 2.0 implementation super slow. By the time it makes a difference 4770K will be irrelevant.

By the way, since I assume you are an SC2 player, haswell >>> ivy for streaming. OBS uses AVX2, which is a huge jump in performance for streaming.

2 big reasons to pick haswell over Ivy:

* Better IMC, meaning better RAM overclocks. If you bench RAM, or do programs that appreciate increased RAM speed like H264 streaming (streaming games, twitch, justin, etc), then this is awesome (streaming on 2133mhz+ ram is a big improvement, and if you are smart you can buy ram capable of 2400mhz+ for same price as the cheapest RAM)

* AVX2, which is better for streaming. Say hello to 1080@60FPS streams.

I think being 200-300mhz better per clock and the IMC improvement, justifies a price increase of ~$100. I paid mobo/cpu UD3H/i7 $109/$279, so compared to $109/229, it was definitely the better value. Not by much, but definitely there.
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What is "delidding"?
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What is "delidding"?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-club
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Yea that's what I thought, not al ot of ppl will do that to their cpu, even if they know how to do it.
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