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It's thinking like that makes standards slip for no reason. Every ms could count for something in the grand scheme of things. We still don't know how far we are from the "perfect" baseline of 1ms. Let's be honest here, there is no conceivable reason to justify button latency being higher than 1ms or inconsistent.

The reason for added button delays is a debouncing -issue with the common switch architecture.. I agree that companies really should concentrate on button delays and find out how Logitech manages to keep the delay so low.. And I also agree that the variety of button delays are causing the inconsistency for players changing their gear.. 1ms would be optimal of course but 1-3ms variance is something that one can live with..
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Originally Posted by Vantavia View Post

It's thinking like that makes standards slip for no reason. Every ms could count for something in the grand scheme of things. We still don't know how far we are from the "perfect" baseline of 1ms. Let's be honest here, there is no conceivable reason to justify button latency being higher than 1ms or inconsistent.

I would like Logitech to state their total switch latency. It's not like it would hurt them considering they have some of the lowest results currently. It would be a nice bit of information, much like the video they made about sensors.
post #283 of 679
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Originally Posted by Jonagold View Post

The reason for added button delays is a debouncing -issue with the common switch architecture.. I agree that companies really should concentrate on button delays and find out how Logitech manages to keep the delay so low.. And I also agree that the variety of button delays are causing the inconsistency for players changing their gear.. 1ms would be optimal of course but 1-3ms variance is something that one can live with..
http://prntscr.com/6misn0
Logitech has been beaten by quite a few random mice by about 1ms, so it's not unobtainable, and we don't even know what the absolute delay is overall.

The deathadder is known for double click issues later in it's life and it still has an appalling button latency. Do detached mouse buttons help with switch bounce?
    
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http://prntscr.com/6misn0
Logitech has been beaten by quite a few random mice by about 1ms, so it's not unobtainable, and we don't even know what the absolute delay is overall.

The deathadder is known for double click issues later in it's life and it still has an appalling button latency. Do detached mouse buttons help with switch bounce?

As I said earlier, they all can adjust the delay to 0ms in their mice but then there will be lots of issues caused by the debounce -issue that happens when metals in the switch touches each other.. All those random mice might have click problems if there is no debounce fix adjusted..
post #285 of 679
If Logitech's G mice have a latency of about 100ms I doubt that any change in +/- 5ms is noticeable to anyone. Mice like Naos3200 or the IMO1.1 have a rather high latency where differences could be noticeable. But a minor difference of 1-5ms is just noticeable on paper.
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If Logitech's G mice have a latency of about 100ms I doubt that any change in +/- 5ms is noticeable to anyone. Mice like Naos3200 or the IMO1.1 have a rather high latency where differences could be noticeable. But a minor difference of 1-5ms is just noticeable on paper.

Are you trolling? 100ms delay?? no way.. None of my Logitech G mice have any kind of latency, all movement and click has less than 10ms delay for sure..
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Logitech G mice have a delay of 6-8ms tops. Look at OPs graph, I guess there's no need to explain how to figure it out, right?
Edited by Melan - 3/28/15 at 1:39pm
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Tibor at Roccat Support, who has been very helpful, asked the developers on my behalf for the current debounce time setting in the KPM firmware. As of FW1.10 it's 5ms.
I tested my KPM FW1.10 against g400s and it was about 3 ms slower - http://imgur.com/8qUAzU1
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Originally Posted by Jonagold View Post

Are you trolling? 100ms delay?? no way.. None of my Logitech G mice have any kind of latency, all movement and click has less than 10ms delay for sure..
How are you so sure about that, did you measure it? I said "if" because I don't know the actual total ms delay.
So stop calling other users trolling when you cannot deliver some facts.

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Logitech G mice have a delay of 6-8ms tops. Look at OPs graph, I guess there's no need to explain how to figure it out, right?
AFAIK all the measurements in the graph are values relative to the G300. After all, a mouse cannot have a minus delay (for example the Bloody mouse), because then it would constantly click by itself. wink.gif

Maybe you know of the total ms that the G300 has. THEN of course the relative measurements can easily be added to the G300 latency.


I prefer good button placement and nice tactility with short travel any day over a 5ms shorter button delay.
If the mouse I'm interested in happens to have a lower button latency than most, then I see it as a nice extra.
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1: Ok. Look at graphs 1 and 2.
2: Find 2 identical mice (hint: Ikari Optical).
3: Ikari has 5ms (+/- 2ms)
4: Go back to graph 1
5: Ikari on graph 1 is 1.1 ms faster than G300
6: 5 + 1.1
7: ???
8: Profit.
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