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Hey guys,

My QNIX monitor failed on me before I could test its overclock capability, so I'm buying another QNIX or an X-Star and hoping to get one that can OC to 120hz! For those that don't know, it's pretty common to be able to overclock it somewhere around 120hz, but in the worst case scenario I have never heard of anyone not being able to get at least 96hz.

I realize that even a Titan wouldn't be able to push 120fps with ultra settings at 1440p in most modern games, let alone a 780. But I'll be happy for now if I can get at least 70 fps in more demanding games like BF3. I know I could hit 70-80 fps with my 7970 in Borderlands 2, so even if I get that in most games I will definitely notice the extra smoothness. Even if I'm not getting constant 120 fps, 70-80 on a 120hz monitor is definitely smoother than on a 60hz monitor. But the problem is that right now my 7970 dips below 60 in some games, which is an absolute waste of having a refresh rate higher than 60hz. It's simply not powerful enough for my needs (I would have skipped the 7970 if I had known I was getting this monitor).

Here comes the dilemma. I don't feel particularly good about dishing out $350 more (if I sell my 7970 for $300) for a 20-30% performance increase. And 28nm has been out for a while now. That with the rumors of the 8970 (or whatever it will be called) being a 780/Titan killer, I feel like I will regret it if I don't wait. But I want to game now! tongue.gif I know the 780 will hold its value longer, and that I can grab a 2nd 780 in the future for more power (although if I go this route I won't pick up a second one for at least another year or two). But with this rumored AMD card right around the corner, and supposedly more powerful and cheaper, I'm stuck. For all we know the 8970 could be only a slight upgrade over the 780. So here I am asking you guys.

Got any advice for me? Get a 780 now, or wait for AMD's next card?

Oh and if you want to suggest me another 7970. As much as my wallet would appreciate it, I am not going to pick up another 7970 because I am not dealing with the giant headache that is Crossfire again (before my 7970 I had 2 6950's). Crossfire needs a lot of improvement before I even consider it again. SLI on the other hand is in much better shape. If I go with a 780, I'll probably grab another card eventually when the prices get low enough.

Thanks a bunch!
Edited by apav - 7/20/13 at 5:19am
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The GTX 780 gets my vote if you really need a card now,if not wait to see what AMD brings to the table,i have seen a few people on different threads here also waiting to see what AMD might bring forward,the most that will happen is when the 9970 gets realease it will be either better or worst then you can decide on the best bang for buck card....If you are going to sli then get the 780 thats what i did....
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The GTX 780 gets my vote if you really need a card now,if not wait to see what AMD brings to the table,i have seen a few people on different threads here also waiting to see what AMD might bring forward,the most that will happen is when the 9970 gets realease it will be either better or worst then you can decide on the best bang for buck card....If you are going to sli then get the 780 thats what i did....

Yea that's the thing, SLI is the redeeming factor if the 8970/9970 beats the 780 by a country mile. But I'm still weary of multi-gpu setups. I guess, if anything, I could grab a 780 now, and sell it when the new AMD card comes out. AMD is usually priced cheaper, so it could possibly cost the same new as a used 780. I've just been going from card to card so frequently.. (2 6950's to 7970 in November, 7970 to 780 now, possibly 780 to 8970 in the fall)

Would that be the best decision?

EDIT:

Also forgot to ask, would my i5 2500k (OC'ed to 4.5) or P8Z68-V be a bottleneck for the 780 or any GPU that comes out in the future? This motherboard is pretty basic, and it's PCI-E 2.0. If not, I'll still have to upgrade eventually if I'm going to SLI. Besides the bus bandwidth, I don't have the physical space on my motherboard to fit 2 780's and a Soundblaster ZXR sound card.
Edited by apav - 7/20/13 at 3:54am
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At the end of the day its all up to you,i say get the 780 now like you mentioned and if the 9970 actually beats it in performance then sell it and get the 9970,but im not sure if AMD will be that much cheaper,their 7990 was priced close to the titan so they just might do the same with the 780....I want to believe AMD will deliver,im rooting for them because with good competion the consumer always win (better/lower price) across the board from both Nvidia and AMD....
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Yea that's the thing, SLI is the redeeming factor if the 8970/9970 beats the 780 by a country mile. But I'm still weary of multi-gpu setups. I guess, if anything, I could grab a 780 now, and sell it when the new AMD card comes out. AMD is usually priced cheaper, so it could possibly cost the same new as a used 780. I've just been going from card to card so frequently.. (2 6950's to 7970 in November, 7970 to 780 now, possibly 780 to 8970 in the fall)

Would that be the best decision?

EDIT:

Also forgot to ask, would my i5 2500k (OC'ed to 4.5) or P8Z68-V be a bottleneck for the 780 or any GPU that comes out in the future? This motherboard is pretty basic, and it's PCI-E 2.0. If not, I'll still have to upgrade eventually if I'm going to SLI. Besides the bus bandwidth, I don't have the physical space on my motherboard to fit 2 780's and a Soundblaster ZXR sound card.

OP since you already have a HD 7970 i suggest waiting till Oct for the HD 9970. firstly there are rumours of HD 9970 matching or exceeding Titan perf. so it will bring competition and better prices. secondly this month end the CF frame pacing driver is out. thats supposed to bring CF on par with SLI. lets wait and see.
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you need to go higher than 4.5GHz. a 780 is like 2 7970. my i7 SB was not able to push both 7950/7970 crossfire to 100%. i'd consider upgrading the cpu first. especially if in MP. others will tell you otherwise but the truth is . . . gone are the days were a an i5 can handle 2 6900 cards.

my fps in BF3 MP 64 1080 Ultra and 4MSAA goes down to the 50s with the i7 at stock and the 7950 stock. oc'ed the i7 to 4.5 it pretty much maintained 60 minimum. SP and Coop - no problem but MP, nah.

sounds like taboo but . . .
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Gtx 780 or you´re going to wait forever. The 9970 is maybe 5-10% faster than a gtx 780 so its not worth waiting for it.
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you need to go higher than 4.5GHz. a 780 is like 2 7970. my i7 SB was not able to push both 7950/7970 crossfire to 100%. i'd consider upgrading the cpu first. especially if in MP. others will tell you otherwise but the truth is . . . gone are the days were a an i5 can handle 2 6900 cards.

my fps in BF3 MP 64 1080 Ultra and 4MSAA goes down to the 50s with the i7 at stock and the 7950 stock. oc'ed the i7 to 4.5 it pretty much maintained 60 minimum. SP and Coop - no problem but MP, nah.

sounds like taboo but . . .

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Gtx 780 or you´re going to wait forever. The 9970 is maybe 5-10% faster than a gtx 780 so its not worth waiting for it.

Ahh mixed opinions! It's not that I hate them, but I have heard the exact opposite about each of these statements, so I'm not sure what to believe. I appreciate it though guys.

I will say that I'm most likely going to get a 780 in the next week, and depending on what this 9970 turns out to be I will decide from there when the time comes. But I'm not sure what to think about upgrading my CPU as well. I asked because it sounds believable that my i5 could be a bottleneck. I'll have to do some more research.
Edited by apav - 7/20/13 at 5:22am
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