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Originally Posted by Haudi View Post

I know this posting...
O.k. my last try to explain it! A Strix OC which is more overclocked out of the box than a Classified doesnt have these problems! You have 1400+ on gpu @ ~1.21V. You can raise chip from chip + 120mhz on gpu or what is going by ASIC and reach ~1540 gpu in bench.
Now you mod the bios, raise the PT, raise the voltage to 1.275V - and bähm you can reach 1580 or 1600 (under water)...And yeah its clear you need a good chip. But classis you can raise the voltage and you crash at clocks which were able at standard voltage...
And now you say its the architecture...
And yes i know - mister kingpin is saying the same but i made my own experiences...
(kingpin is evga;))

ok. but are all those voltage readings from a DMM? if not then they are unreliable. even using the classy voltage tool on a 980TI will not give you an accurate reading. unless its a classy, lighting (or HOF?) with a DMM; those readings are a guess of what the driver is using for voltage (guess)based on ASIC(???).

until my card (and the rest of my rig) was stolen, i had looked forward to benching it during winter temps. i saw a ~25Mhz increase on air when temps pf the gpu were under 48c, as opposed to over 54c, during a cold spell.

temps>vcore.

however, i do feel your pain. maxwell is much more limited with OCing than fermi or kepler. at least i still have my 780TI classy and as soon as i get off this H61 motherboard w/i5-2400 . . .
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ok. but are all those voltage readings from a DMM? if not then they are unreliable. even using the classy voltage tool on a 980TI will not give you an accurate reading. unless its a classy, lighting (or HOF?) with a DMM; those readings are a guess of what the driver is using for voltage (guess)based on ASIC(???).

until my card (and the rest of my rig) was stolen, i had looked forward to benching it during winter temps. i saw a ~25Mhz increase on air when temps pf the gpu were under 48c, as opposed to over 54c, during a cold spell.

temps>vcore.

however, i do feel your pain. maxwell is much more limited with OCing than fermi or kepler. at least i still have my 780TI classy and as soon as i get off this H61 motherboard w/i5-2400 . . .

/raises hand

I run a DMM and check voltages manually AND I have noticed that I can OC ~35Mhz more when I keep the core cooler (stability issues as my liquid temperature rises). I've noticed that voltages don't change smoothly via PX or AB. They only go up in steps at exactly 13mV and 25mV; anything past that and there is no voltage increase. The Classy Tool does allow better voltage control. Seriously strange behavior from the card itself and it's even more obfuscated by PX and it's lack of precision control (yes, that's supposed to be funny).
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Not in this thread I won't tongue.gif

so where? tongue.gif would like to see the comparo.


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I can certainly say that my 2 big maxwell - Titan X - benefit from increasing core voltage from the stock ~1.212 to 1.274V via bios (which measures at ~1.265V under load) with a corresponding increase in stable max core clocks. The 2 980TiKPs I've had (still have one smile.gif ) do not behave the same at all air or water (chilled).
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Hey guys, so I'am expecting KPE FC block tomorrow. Just one question, does those screws comes with package fits with KPE stock backplate?

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Originally Posted by kingd080 View Post

Hello smile.gif

Does somebody know if the original Backplate of the 980 Ti K|NGP|N still fits with the EK waterblock or do I need to get additional M3x6mm screws ?


Greets

Hey guys Im sorry it took so long for me to clarify been busy but the answer is YES! You can most definately use the stock EVGA backplate with the new 980TI KINGPIN WB (EK-FC980 GTX Ti Classy KPE).
Im getting ready to log off and install it right now but in case you have doubts here is proof.



Before EK even began development on the block I opened up a service ticket and asked if they would manufacture the block so that its compatible with the stock EVGA backplate (im sure many others requested it as well)
but the great thing is they responded and said they would pass it on to manufacturing & they followed up throughout the process & finally confirmed that it would. So thank EK cause not many companies these days
take feedback from their customers & actually implement it in future products, very cool.

You should NOT need any additional screws, they provide M2.5 screws. It appears that when using the backplate you only use the washers around the 4 gpu core screws thus allowing the extra width for
attaching the backplate thumb.gif

@ Elkim did your WB arrive? Did you get it installed, let us know how it went?
Edited by sdmf74 - 10/9/15 at 6:31pm
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Is a GTX 580 Classy eligible for this club? I might be getting one in a few weeks.
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If it's not about the KPE, I'm not sure why he'd care. The Classified version specifically does not like extra voltage. I mean, I've accepted it, but doesn't meant I'm happy about it.

haha, actually I do care about ANYTHING EVGA smile.gif That's why I come over here and try to help u guys out. Me and Tin were a lot more involved with 980 classified, than 980Ti classified. Other vga team made that card this generation(Ti) and we focused on KP 980Ti. The extreme overclocking tech in 980Ti KP required something like over 1/2 year to develop leading up to launch and required an insane amount of time :/. They are different cards in every sense
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This very true but I believe the Bin % should have been wider for the cost. I realize their is still somewhat lottery involved but paying extra did me no justice, actually hurt. A wider bin may have averted some of these instances
I don't disagree you with you man. Less granular ASIC scale could be better, but not my call. 74 can still be better than a 76 or 78 and yah ASIC measurement is not exact, just an indicator.
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If you would read my posts exactly - i had 4 TitanX (big Maxwell), 2 GTX 980Ti no Classifieds (small big max) - there wasnt a problem to raise Voltage and get an effect.
New core architecture - sry thats not the reason;)

ALL 980ti, titanx,980 gpus at ambient cooling are MUCH more sensitive to temperature than voltage. Even 5-8 degrees can make a world of difference on clocks on some cards. Not all cards are the same, especially reference cards. They tend to have better, cooler running bins of gpus on them, then majority of custom pcb cards later on. Some reference Ti's I tested could scale minimally with voltage (1.25v or something) but they were rare.
As you know already with..
--If GPU temperature are hot on gpu, like 65-70c+ they wont overclock so much on default voltage and adding ANY will almost always hurt.
--If GPU temperature is around 50-56c loaded, I believe most Ti GPU's over 72% ASIC will 1520-1550mhz on default volts.
--If the temperature is below 50c loaded (easily possible in AC cooled room with card OUT of case , better ASIC % can get 1575-1600mhz on default voltage and these temps is where some cards can start to benefit from small voltage increases as well.
--If GPU loaded temperatures are around 30c or lower, that's usually where the voltage increases start to help on these gpus anyways.

I made some voltage modified bios on last generation with 980KPE to try and help with ambient voltage scaling, some cards could scale with voltage at ambient, some could not, some need a ton more voltage just to be stable at same clocks. Ask anyone in here, they will tell ya it was mixed results with different scaling on different cards.
Kp980Ti is designed as an LN2 overclockers dream card anyways, so this generation we've mainly focused on that with KP 980Ti to make it the best.
If you tell me what you are modifying on your bios's that you think lets them scale higher on water, I can have someone on vga team have a look on classified Ti to see if its worth anything and possibly get you a bios to try. I need specifics though. Always glad to help anything EVGA related smile.gif
Edited by thechosenwon - 10/9/15 at 7:04pm
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I don't disagree you with you man. Less granular ASIC scale could be better, but not my call. 74 can still be better than a 76 or 78 and yah ASIC measurement is not exact, just an indicator.

I realize you cant please everybody but of course im gonna be bummed cause I didnt win the lotto this time lol but im still pretty happy its a fun card even on water & the memory clocks well.

I think for the majority of us here we appreciate having your feedback as some of your info has been invaluable and customer service plays a large part for me when making purchasing decisions & although I have never
had to RMA anything from EVGA before I have the peace of mind knowing it would be a painless process. I have never owned a gpu from a different manufacturer, all Classies & Kingpins except for one FTW & an old 8400 biggrin.gif
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Finally got my Classified under water. Still running a leak test, first one resulted in the tubing come off of the barb somehow, must not have tightened the compressions properly. Pretty paranoid about this after that.
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Hey guys Im sorry it took so long for me to clarify been busy but the answer is YES! You can most definately use the stock EVGA backplate with the new 980TI KINGPIN WB (EK-FC980 GTX Ti Classy KPE).
Im getting ready to log off and install it right now but in case you have doubts here is proof.



Before EK even began development on the block I opened up a service ticket and asked if they would manufacture the block so that its compatible with the stock EVGA backplate (im sure many others requested it as well)
but the great thing is they responded and said they would pass it on to manufacturing & they followed up throughout the process & finally confirmed that it would. So thank EK cause not many companies these days
take feedback from their customers & actually implement it in future products, very cool.

You should NOT need any additional screws, they provide M2.5 screws. It appears that when using the backplate you only use the washers around the 4 gpu core screws thus allowing the extra width for
attaching the backplate thumb.gif

@ Elkim did your WB arrive? Did you get it installed, let us know how it went?



Yes, you have everything. thumb.gif

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haha, actually I do care about ANYTHING EVGA smile.gif That's why I come over here and try to help u guys out. Me and Tin were a lot more involved with 980 classified, than 980Ti classified. Other vga team made that card this generation(Ti) and we focused on KP 980Ti. The extreme overclocking tech in 980Ti KP required something like over 1/2 year to develop leading up to launch and required an insane amount of time :/. They are different cards in every sense
I don't disagree you with you man. Less granular ASIC scale could be better, but not my call. 74 can still be better than a 76 or 78 and yah ASIC measurement is not exact, just an indicator.
ALL 980ti, titanx,980 gpus at ambient cooling are MUCH more sensitive to temperature than voltage. Even 5-8 degrees can make a world of difference on clocks on some cards. Not all cards are the same, especially reference cards. They tend to have better, cooler running bins of gpus on them, then majority of custom pcb cards later on. Some reference Ti's I tested could scale minimally with voltage (1.25v or something) but they were rare.
As you know already with..
--If GPU temperature are hot on gpu, like 65-70c+ they wont overclock so much on default voltage and adding ANY will almost always hurt.
--If GPU temperature is around 50-56c loaded, I believe most Ti GPU's over 72% ASIC will 1520-1550mhz on default volts.
--If the temperature is below 50c loaded (easily possible in AC cooled room with card OUT of case , better ASIC % can get 1575-1600mhz on default voltage and these temps is where some cards can start to benefit from small voltage increases as well.
--If GPU loaded temperatures are around 30c or lower, that's usually where the voltage increases start to help on these gpus anyways.

I made some voltage modified bios on last generation with 980KPE to try and help with ambient voltage scaling, some cards could scale with voltage at ambient, some could not, some need a ton more voltage just to be stable at same clocks. Ask anyone in here, they will tell ya it was mixed results with different scaling on different cards.
Kp980Ti is designed as an LN2 overclockers dream card anyways, so this generation we've mainly focused on that with KP 980Ti to make it the best.
If you tell me what you are modifying on your bios's that you think lets them scale higher on water, I can have someone on vga team have a look on classified Ti to see if its worth anything and possibly get you a bios to try. I need specifics though. Always glad to help anything EVGA related smile.gif

thanks for the very clear and thorough information (again wink.gif )
And for sure, if I keep the max load temp on the Ti KP in the 30s, this 81.6% card runs high 15's and up to 1611 in Valley, FS, Heaven 4.0... game stable at 1598 with a uniblock at silly vram frequencies - like 8600. thumb.gif
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