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But they've paid for the old engine...if it can do the job to make the game then they save a lot of development costs. And the example you gave is a rare exception...that engine was made by a genius in his spare time I think. It came from one guy and not a development team. It doesn't look perfect though...I am sure there are a bunch of limitations, but he is licensing the engine for peanuts. The big name game engines will charge a large sum upfront and maybe even a portion of the sales.
I see using the old engine as evidence of a lack of innovation. In an ideal world, a company's game engine is a dynamic thing. It is constantly being upgraded and evolved, providing each in-house game better and better graphics with each release. "Saving development costs" in this case would then be code for "making an inferior quality game and convincing the end user they are still buying a AAA title".
The Sui Generis engine is a rare exception. When/if the game releases, it might be one of the extremely rare few in this day and age that actually innovates. We need more of that, and to demand more of that from developers at the current prices we pay. As consumers, we need to speak with our wallets and let current video game companies know we are aware that we are being scammed, paying as much (and perhaps soon more) for less, and that if it continues we will happily stop buying their product even if it forces them out of business and wait for the people who can provide us innovative, quality games to rise up and do so.
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Dead wrong: http://www.examiner.com/article/steam-is-killing-pc-gaming
Also, I guess you like signing a TOS that says Valve can take away all of the games you paid for for no reason whatsoever.

Edit: Don't forget this: http://www.examiner.com/article/next-gen-consoles-a-very-familiar-deal

I'm sorry how are those people at all relevant? Should I care about some author i've never heard about? When a credible source comes out and says what was said in that article, then I'll believe it.

Your post is a joke.

Who cares, if you do something to violate that TOS then you should lose all of your games. It's like real life, do something illegal in the car, lose your license. Simple yeah?

Also back in topic, forcing a company to do something they don't want to do (maybe they want to do it but are trying who knows) isn't great. Heck look at windows 8. Anyway I think used game sales would change the way steam is and it would probably mean that steam summer sales would die if this was brought in. I prefer the summer sale IMHO. But that's just me.
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I see using the old engine as evidence of a lack of innovation. In an ideal world, a company's game engine is a dynamic thing. It is constantly being upgraded and evolved, providing each in-house game better and better graphics with each release. "Saving development costs" in this case would then be code for "making an inferior quality game and convincing the end user they are still buying a AAA title".
The Sui Generis engine is a rare exception. When/if the game releases, it might be one of the extremely rare few in this day and age that actually innovates. We need more of that, and to demand more of that from developers at the current prices we pay. As consumers, we need to speak with our wallets and let current video game companies know we are aware that we are being scammed, paying as much (and perhaps soon more) for less, and that if it continues we will happily stop buying their product even if it forces them out of business and wait for the people who can provide us innovative, quality games to rise up and do so.

Just depends...there might not be any new toys they can use any way. If their main target is the Xbox 360 then they are not going to waste money buying an engine with DX11 tools in it.
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I'm sorry how are those people at all relevant? Should I care about some author i've never heard about? When a credible source comes out and says what was said in that article, then I'll believe it.

Your post is a joke.

Who cares, if you do something to violate that TOS then you should lose all of your games. It's like real life, do something illegal in the car, lose your license. Simple yeah?

Also back in topic, forcing a company to do something they don't want to do (maybe they want to do it but are trying who knows) isn't great. Heck look at windows 8. Anyway I think used game sales would change the way steam is and it would probably mean that steam summer sales would die if this was brought in. I prefer the summer sale IMHO. But that's just me.

Well the German federal court already ruled in favor of valve against these guys once already over not being able to trade or sell accounts, so it seems likely this will share a similar outcome. However, if they do end up deciding to, or being required to, allow resale of digital copies (instead of possibly just no longer operating in affected areas) and if it DOES take away our beloved 75% markdowns, many people will be sorely, sorely, p*@%ssed.

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