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And you derived that's technological and not market-forces derived how?

It's pointless continuing on this. It appears you don't take it logically.

From my entire post that's what you got hung up on? Really? I'm not taking this logically? Did you even read my post? Do you honestly believe you are the first to think about this? On OCN alone this topic has been covered numerous times along with why it does not work with how current PC's are setup.

You think you got this brilliant idea and can't accept that fact that it would not work. Seriously the way you act it would not mater if Intel's, AMD's, Nvida's, Qualcomm's and Texas instrument's chef engineers came in here and told you its a bad idea, you still would not accept it.
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To have this kind of "flexibility" would suit noone but the wacko enthousiast who would like to go above and beyond cherry picking stuff.
In the meanwhile, the average user would have to pay for the VRMs capable to power the most power hungry GPUs i.e. regardless of opting for an APU or a 75W GPU card, you would have to match the specs for at least a Titan or a 7970 GHz, or even more than one of those...

Then depending on the GPU core, and how many bits the RAMDAC would run at, you would have to allow for X number of memory slots...i.e. with ram being 64bit, you would have to have at least 4-5 slots to accommodate for anything from 64bits to 384bits and everything in-between...added cost and weak points / solder joints / mechanical+electrical connections for things to go wrong, pins to bend/break etc.
And you would pay for all of that even if you would need nothing but a 64-128bit machine to run office and the interwebs.

What about the BIOS? Or is that coming with the GPU too? Extra socket to change that one too?

I am pretty sure part of what you are asking for could be a hardware devs kit in some lab, but has no practicality in the real world outside the handful of people who wanna tweak their machine endlessly pretty much cause they have more fun messing with the hardware than actually using it.

Yes, there is a use for something like that, but could it be profitable? I see something with a gazillion more reasons to RMA, and I think that's what companies would be facing too.

I don't think there are many things as "modular" and aimed towards versatility in component choices etc as modern PCs.
Should we ask for more? Sure, but lets don't try to make a big fuss about the "conspiracy" that wants to keep things completely controlled and sterile. I mean, there is Apple doing that, but...biggrin.gif
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^ this

What this? There's no distance added.

Would you run a 2 meter long usb cable? Or 2x 1 meter usb cables in order to get from A to B?

You would want straight through with no adapters or as little resistance as possible. Interchangeable memory etc on gpus would introduce sockets, that would in turn, introduce resistance and increase latency. thumb.gif
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Of course it will mainly benefit the higher end crowd. That's one of the first things I said but you choose to attack me as "illogical" then you can't even notice what I said on the first replies. I suspect that only those going for $400 cards or better might benefit since for those budgets the extra cost of the equipment will be minimal (but not for those with ~$150 budgets). Plus I still find complete nonsense the arguments about "distance latency" when one can fit plenty of ram on sockets right next to a processor, vertically and double sided if needed.

I also explicitly said already that I suspect the reason it doesn't happen is historical, and also based on the current comfortable situation for most market players. It is extremely likely that if the market players would decide today if main system motherboards would have sockets or not, they might have said no since the market in whole is smaller. I would like to see you then saying "it's worse and it adds latencies".

Then again, that reminds of a benefit of socketed products nobody mentioned yet: Even for budget systems "OEMs" (HP, Dell, etc.) love socketed products because they do not have to rebuild whole systems just because a customer demands only the RAM capacity to be smaller or the CPU to cheaper. This is actually one of the main arguments that made "PCB only products in 2014" complete nonsense.
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