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So I love gaming, I also hate spending money...

With this thought I started this project.
I want to make a high-end gaming pc for as cheap as possible.

I currently have what some consider a trainwreck.



Current specs:


Operating System Windows 7 Enterprise 32-bit SP1

CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 2.40GHz
Conroe 65nm Technology

RAM 4,00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 265MHz (4-4-4-12)

Motherboard ConRoe945G-DVI (CPUSocket)

Graphics SONY TV (1360x768@60Hz)
1024MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 440 (ASUStek Computer Inc)

Hard Drives 698GB WL750GSA6472B ATA Device (SATA)

Optical Drives DiscSoft Virtual SCSI CdRom Device
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-222AB ATA Device

Audio High Definition Audio-apparaat




What I am planning to buy:

Operating System Windows 7 64-bit

CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz LGA1155

RAM Corsair 2x4GB, DDR3, PC12800, CL11, ValueSelect

Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme3 iZ77, SATA600 RAID

Graphics led monitor with 2ms
Asus PCI-e GeForce GTX760 DCII OC 2GB 2xDVI/HDMI/DP



Optical Drives DiscSoft Virtual SCSI CdRom Device
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-222AB ATA Device

Audio High Definition Audio-apparaat

Power: Cooler Master Voeding GX-750W 750W


This will cost me: € xxx including taxes.


Do you guys think this will be a good upgrade?
I chose the i3 because of the 2 cores.


EDIT

New shoopingcart




EDIT

Seems like this built will take some time, my paycheck is 3,5 weeks behind now..

New edit biggrin.gif

My computer is all naked now


I just installed my new motherboard and cpu


My psu just arrived


How my pc looks at the moment (I am not sure about cabling, I just stick the things where I think they are supposed to go redface.gif

Edited by captainmeow - 7/30/13 at 3:35am
post #2 of 110

No, because that PSU is a very low-quality unit. If it were a quality one, then it would also be major overkill. Your power consumption while gaming will never exceed about 275W.

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post #3 of 110
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But my videocard demands atleast 600watt. That is what the shop tells me.
post #4 of 110
I wouldn't all a GTX 760 a minimalist's GPU,
but I guess to each their own perspective.
That's one badass card compared to most that came before it.

I could see the i3 being a more noticeable bottleneck with some types of games, like MMO or RTS, but should most often hold up to it's challenges.

And, yeah--
The GTX 760 does not consume very much power.
~275W under system load sounds about right to me.
A decent quality 500W PSU would be plenty.
Edited by Rezard - 7/23/13 at 5:50pm
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post #5 of 110
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I actually chose the i3 so I would have more money left to spend on an awesome card!
I friend of mine told me this i3 has better benchmarks than most i5's gamingwise because games rarely need more than two cores if im correct.
post #6 of 110
i5, and a lower power higher quality psu. Also theres cheaper ram that will help offset the cost of the i5 (and will probably be faster as well).

I'd also either spend a little more on a better monitor, or save a little on a cheaper GPU, because a 760 is totally wasted on that resolution.

As for dual cores having higher benchmarks, perhaps back in 2008, or today with very select games. More and more though games are using 4, 6, and even 8 threads.
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post #7 of 110
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What kind of i5 would be better?
And I just chose the videocard that is the highest on the benchmarks and in my budget.

Any suggestions on different hardware?

my cart at the moment

Edited by captainmeow - 7/23/13 at 6:01pm
post #8 of 110
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Originally Posted by captainmeow View Post

But my videocard demands atleast 600watt. That is what the shop tells me.

 

They are wrong. To start with, NVIDIA recommends a 500W peak-rated PSU. This means that the PSU would have a +12V capacity of about 360W which is 30A, and the +12V rail is the main source of power for a modern computer system. Your CPU has a very low maximum potential power draw of only 55W, so your recommendation for a peak-rated PSU would be even less.

 

Now, there are a few good quality-made 400W PSUs that have a +12V capacity of 360W or more (some are as high as 396W), so this alone means you can easily power your system with a good quality-made 400W PSU.

 

However, as I said, your gaming power consumption will never exceed about 275W. Here's proof:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_sli_review,4.html

 

With one GTX 760 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 280W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so I have to add 55W for your CPU's maximum potential power draw. This makes the PSU pulling 335W from the wall outlet. So if the PSU is 90% efficient while pulling 335W from the wall, then the computer is pulling 301W from the PSU. However, the gaming power draw will be lower than this because it's more realistic, so that's how I know your power consumption will never exceed about 275W. Furthermore, if your PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 335W from the wall outlet, then your computer is pulling 284W from the PSU which means your gaming power draw will be about that much lower.

 

The shop is either A) trying to take your money, or B) completely ignorant of anything related to PSUs and power consumption and therefore they recommend a 600W PSU "just to be sure, because I don't have a clue".

 

So please look at good quality-made unit's between 360W and 450W. Anything 'bigger' is a complete waste of money.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies


Edited by TwoCables - 7/23/13 at 6:03pm
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I actually chose the i3 so I would have more money left to spend on an awesome card!
I friend of mine told me this i3 has better benchmarks than most i5's gamingwise because games rarely need more than two cores if im correct.
It depends on the game really but alot are using 4 cores (a few like bf3 use 6) nowadays(why i retired my awesome e8400 c2d). I have to point out you wont even be able to tell the difference between a gtx760 @250$usd and a HD7770 @100$usd on that screen. Id say reuse your 32bit windows 7 for now and get a 1080 screen, then as soon as you can get a 64bit OS. Also where are you shopping, we might be able to find you a better deal;)

Edit:what gmaes are using 8 threads:blinksmil
Edited by Darklyric - 7/23/13 at 6:06pm
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post #10 of 110
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I shop at 4launch

https://www.4launch.nl

I know I can get better deals elsewhere like newegg, but I have to consider the shipping costs. (I live in the netherlands)

Well I am hunting for a nice led than. Or should I just look for my dream monitor.

The awesome and oh so sexy alienware monitor: 0,016 ms, now thats a monitor.

Edited by captainmeow - 7/23/13 at 6:11pm
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