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It does indeed grant basic rights the problem is defining them.

It says we can "bear arms" it doesn't say what kind. So yes, it could be conceded that we can own guns... but only of the muzzle loading variety if the gubermint decides as such.

The Supreme Court said that the 2nd Amendment limits firearms to those that are in common usage for lawful purposes or those used in a milita.

Muskets could be banned since they are not in common usage or used by the militia.
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Here's a "Legal loophole" pardon my pun...http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/police_sergeants_arrested_after_RAxAB89io6tRy2uA9fmc5J and a 2nd source http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/22949343/second-officer-arrested-in-fake-cop-robberies

[sarcasm]It's okay though because the average citizen of the US is too irresponsible to be armed so, we should let the police do their jobs...Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

posting 1 or 2 examples is statistically meaningless. countries that successfully implement prohibition tend to have far lower rates of violence. heck the us is beaten by many 3rd world countries with more restrictive gun policies. i mean does it really make sense for a country like azerbaijan to have a FRACTION of gun deaths per capita compared to the us? it's a national embarrassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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i mean does it really make sense for a country like azerbaijan to have a FRACTION of gun deaths per capita compared to the us? it's a national embarrassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Personally I think you should be more embarrassed for comparing your country to a completely different one. And then calling for national embarrassment.
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posting 1 or 2 examples is statistically meaningless. countries that successfully implement prohibition tend to have far lower rates of violence. heck the us is beaten by many 3rd world countries with more restrictive gun policies. i mean does it really make sense for a country like azerbaijan to have a FRACTION of gun deaths per capita compared to the us? it's a national embarrassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

I'm sorry but, the population of Azerbaijan, according to your own sentiment, is statistically meaningless and therefor should not be taken into consideration.

It's interesting that you refuse to discuss Iraq...How about Pakistan? Or, we can even discuss Switzerland considering practically EVERY citizen is legally armed...What's the crime rate there?

Unfortunately, the flaw in the entire debate, like most anti's is you because you refuse to accept the actual facts that apply to these circumstances.

Please learn how to use google. Please learn how to read. Please educate yourself.
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It does indeed grant basic rights the problem is defining them.

It says we can "bear arms" it doesn't say what kind. So yes, it could be conceded that we can own guns... but only of the muzzle loading variety if the gubermint decides as such.

Historically and legally no, it does not. There is no such wording in the US Constitution that suggests, let alone explicitly states, that the document grants rights. In fact, the Declaration of Independence makes clear what the Constitution's authors believed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". The original Constitution did not have a Bill of Rights because it was not believed to be needed; the federal government was never given the powers to do those things the Bill of Rights would be describing in the first place.

That it's believed a document grants us our natural, inalienable rights means education has failed. Again.
    
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That it's believed a document grants us our natural, inalienable rights means education has failed. Again.

Failed? No. The "education" is working exactly as intended.
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That it's believed a document grants us our natural, inalienable rights means education has failed. Again.

Right. That's why the provision for "arms" was added. Because it also doesn't take much education to figure out that it's much easier to "alienate" the rights of an unarmed population.

Olde Englishe...
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I'm sorry but, the population of Azerbaijan, according to your own sentiment, is statistically meaningless and therefor should not be taken into consideration.

It's interesting that you refuse to discuss Iraq...How about Pakistan? Or, we can even discuss Switzerland considering practically EVERY citizen is legally armed...What's the crime rate there?

Unfortunately, the flaw in the entire debate, like most anti's is you because you refuse to accept the actual facts that apply to these circumstances.

Please learn how to use google. Please learn how to read. Please educate yourself.

comparing the us to countries with what are functionally ongoing civil wars is meaningless. and azerbaijan is hardly the only 3rd world country with vastly lower rates of gun violence-there are literally more than a dozen that do. to give other examples, ukraine, kuwait, and georgia do as well. and i'd challenge you to find any first world country with the our rates of gun violence

yeah perhaps if the us was a highly educated, homogenous society like switzerland the law wouldn't matter that much. but we are clearly not
Edited by perfectblade - 7/31/13 at 10:53am
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and i'd challenge you to find any first world country with the our rates of gun violence.

Tell me again how guns are the only way to commit violence?
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Tell me again how guns are the only way to commit violence?

they aren't, they're just far more effective and lethal than other methods
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Right. That's why the provision for "arms" was added. Because it also doesn't take much education to figure out that it's much easier to "alienate" the rights of an unarmed population.

Olde Englishe...

because if we ever have say, a military coup, people armed with rifles will be able to withstand the might of the modern us military, ie tanks, fighter, jets, battleships, modern artillery, nuclear subs, aircraft carriers etc. maybe in fantasyland
Edited by perfectblade - 7/31/13 at 11:12am
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