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So apparently if I kill someone with a knife it's not as lethal as it could have been if I killed them with a gun instead? rolleyes.gif

So a gun makes someone deader than dead, but a knife just makes them dead... I think I may be starting to see the light here guys.

applaud.gif You have seen the light brother, hallelujah!

Why do you think I don't carry a gun with me? I mean, anyone can recover from being bludgeoned to death by a baseball bat, or having their throat slit. I got no worries, 'cause the only thing that can kill me dead is a gun, and I live in an area with some of the most restrictive gun laws ever! So since we've determined criminals don't break the law by carrying around illegal firearms illegally, and since we've determined the only way for someone to actually kill me is by a gun, I've come to the conclusion I pretty much can't die. Life is gooooooooooooood doh.gif
Edited by b3machi7ke - 7/31/13 at 11:46am
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I feel like we've come full circle here...

We came full circle a while ago.

The unfortunate fact is that he chooses not to educate himself.

The presence of guns does not mean there will be more murders/gun violence -- Both Israel and Switzerland prove him wrong in the "culture" debate but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

In China, the prohibition of guns is irrelevant because they're easily available and due to the lack of guns, many other forms of violence have skyrocketed but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

America is violent. We always have been. We were violent before guns were available. In fact, the data forms a bell-curve with violence curbing downward as guns become more available than ever but, he refuses to acknowledge that. (Kieran Healy, Duke University)

Gun ownership in general, regardless of the boom, HAS DECLINED in the past 10 years but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

45% of households in America have guns and this number has steadily increased while crime steadily decreased since December but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

In 2010, there were 11,078 gun murders, the lowest it's been since 1981 but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

Gun manufacturing in the United States has DOUBLED since 2007 while the crime rate has steadily declined in the past 6 years but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

Internationally, Switzerland, Yemen and Saudi Arabia have arguably the same guns per capital and yet, less violence because everyone is armed, trains yearly as a militia and their people are culturally more responsible than Americans but, he refuses to acknowledge that.
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On March 25, 1982 Kennesaw, Georgia signed into ordinance that all head of households were required to own and keep at least one firearm in the home. (With some exceptions). The city’s population grew from 5,000 in 1980 to 29,783 people as of 2009 (that is the latest statistics I can find). The crime rate since the inception of this ordinance has become almost nonexistent.

That excerpt is from this article: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/08/fact-not-opinion-gun-control-doesnt-work/

An article that was on the front page of the New York Times website until it was taken down due to Newtown...However, it remained there and was VERY popular until Newtown but, once again, he won't read it or acknowledge it.

Roughly 16,272 murders were committed in the United States during 2008. Of these, about 10,886 or 67% were committed with firearms. Of those 67% less then 1% were committed by Legal Gun Owners but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year but, he refuses to acknowledge that because the lives of a million people are irrelevant.

Of 1,662 murders committed in New York City during 2003-2005, more than 90% were committed by people with criminal records about 10% of these were with guns but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

In the 10-year period from November 30, 1998 to December 31, 2008, about 96 million background checks for gun purchases were processed through the federal background check system. Of these, approximately 681,000 or about 1% were denied but, he refuses to acknowledge this because we all use "loopholes".

During 2002 and 2003, out of 17 million background checks resulting in 120,000 denials, the federal government prosecuted 154 people (about one-tenth of 1% of the denials) but, he refuses to acknowledge that anything is being done because of those "loopholes".

To undergo a background check, prospective gun buyers are required by federal regulations to present "photo-identification issued by a government entity this includes gun shows but, he refuses to acknowledge it.

Since the outset of the Florida right-to-carry law, the Florida murder rate has averaged 36% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 15% lower but, he refuses to acknowledge that.

From the outset of the Florida right-to-carry law through July 31, 2010, Florida has revoked 5,674 or 0.3% of all issued permits. Of these:

• 522 permits were revoked for crimes committed prior to licensure
• 4,955 permits were revoked for crimes committed after licensure, of which 168 involved the usage of a firearm.

But, he refuses to acknowledge that because the system apparently doesn't work -- All those loopholes.

Since the outset of the Texas right-to-carry law, the Texas murder rate has averaged 30% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 28% lower but, he refuses to acknowledge that LEGALLY armed citizens deter crime.

I can do this all day but, unfortunately, due to his failure to acknowledge facts, he will leave just as ignorant as when he began reading this post. frown.gif
Edited by Masked - 7/31/13 at 11:57am
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Saying someone is more or less lethal is stupid, because you can use just about anything to kill someone.
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Obviously firearms are more lethal than other types of every day objects that require no training, no license, and face no regulation.
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So apparently if I kill someone with a knife it's not as lethal as it could have been if I killed them with a gun instead?

I'm pretty pro gun, but cmon guys. Don't you feel a little rediculous arguing with the statement that guns are more lethal than bats, clubs, knives, etc. Just because you disagree with his main point, doesn't mean you have to disagree with every statement he makes.

Now, if you don't think the lethality should play into the arguement... that is a different story and you can make your case.
    
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I'm pretty pro gun, but cmon guys. Don't you feel a little rediculous arguing with the statement that guns are more lethal than bats, clubs, knives, etc. Just because you disagree with his main point, doesn't mean you have to disagree with every statement he makes.

Now, if you don't think the lethality should play into the arguement... that is a different story and you can make your case.

With most normal, logical people? Yes, I would feel incredibly ridiculous. But this guy's focus is clearly to troll, and if not to troll then he's just plain ridiculous, so I have zero issues with that. I mean, come on now, how can something that kills you be "more lethal" than something else that kills you? A rock is just as lethal as a hammer which is just as lethal as a rifle which is just as lethal as a nuke. The scale might be different, but each one is just as lethal as the next when a person gets hit by it.

So to answer your question, yes, 99% of the time I would feel ridiculous. In this thread, with this guy, though it still feels ridiculous, I don't mind it at all smile.gif
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The Supreme Court said that the 2nd Amendment limits firearms to those that are in common usage for lawful purposes or those used in a milita.

Muskets could be banned since they are not in common usage or used by the militia.
If that is the case, I demand unrestricted access to select fire weapons.

But today, common use would include pretty much everything except muskets, as a muzzle loading blackpowder rifle is not exactly a musket. And many of them are extremely modern.
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I'm pretty pro gun, but cmon guys. Don't you feel a little rediculous arguing with the statement that guns are more lethal than bats, clubs, knives, etc. Just because you disagree with his main point, doesn't mean you have to disagree with every statement he makes.

Now, if you don't think the lethality should play into the arguement... that is a different story and you can make your case.
My 5800 lb SUV is way more lethal than my 500 lb motorcycle.

Ban my SUV.
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If that is the case, I demand unrestricted access to select fire weapons.

Sure, why not? Unless you have some compelling reason not to...
    
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Sure, why not? Unless you have some compelling reason not to...
The only reason I want one is cuz they are fun for the whole family.

Cost too much to really shoot often though.

Honestly, I think a standard .22 rifle with burst would be hilarious. Subsonic rounds and a suppressor = lulz.



All day long.

Imagine the look on a criminal's face when he rounds the corner into my bedroom to see me posted behind sandbags in the corner with that. My guess is he would laugh, and then crap his pants when I open up on him.

And it probably wouldn't kill the guy.
Or this, I would use this on anyone who messes with muh woman. Assuming I had one at the time, spent 6 years with a girl and I know I would empty this whole thing on anyone that hurt her.

Would go to prison for sure. I would think after the first 3-4 rounds the threat is usually dealt with and beyond that is just blind malice.
Edited by Masta Squidge - 7/31/13 at 3:01pm
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Suppressors, now there is topic for discussion! They should not be illegal. Hearing loss is an epidemic far greater than gun murder by far. Antiquated laws and media/hollywood demonizing and falsly portraying suppressors as something they aren't.
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This thread has run its course, we're getting a little too political now.

Thanks everyone for contributing!
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