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I can feel the biterness in your voices. You guys don't get enough credit. PSU's are like the ugly ducks in the hardware world. But you guys can't get discouraged by a lack of interest by the people. We need you! I'm really interested how power consumption and PSU's will evolve in the future, global warming will accelerate these developments for sure. Hopefully. Another question : how was power consumption in the early 2000s? Did GPU and CPU draw less or more power than now? The way I see it in my head : first components drew not much power, maybe 75 watt for topline GPU And then power consumption went up for more performance but no care for efficiency and now power consumption is going down again but performance still up because of smaller transistors. I have searched the web for a study about power consumption of hardware through time but didn't find anything. Do you guys have a nice resource on that?

 

I'm not feeling unneeded or unappreciated, but it kind of breaks my heart that the majority of people don't care about the PSU. Most people have a hard time believing that it's not only about the wattage or the 80+ Certification or the brand name (only those who are a little bit more awake pay attention to the brand name), and so sometimes I get reactions as though I'm trying to sell snake oil. lol From their perspective, every PSU is the same except for the wattage.

 

Anyway, I don't know much at all about the old days. I know that PSUs were significantly less efficient back then and they were far worse in quality, and I also think that the +3.3V and the +5V were the main sources of power because the majority of the computer ran off of 3.3V and 5V power instead of 12V power. I also think that power consumption was always very low in those days, like always under approximately 400W or so, but that's not based on any facts or education or knowledge. I'm honestly just guessing.

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Almost everyone is surprised to know that almost every brand does not make anything they sell but buy from OEM´s

Really some brands has used so many OEM´s its very hard to keep track of

Some OEM´s even sell their own units under their own name or another

Seasonic is by far the most well know there but FSP does the same as do InWin/HighPower/Enermax and Super Flower

But does anything care about them hell no they want Corsonic because they know them

I really find that annoying because that tells me people are lazy and wont do even basic research
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Brand recognition, it is a powerful marketing tool. I too feel like Seasonic are gods of PSU just because of publicity being made by people. I try to check johnyguru now and then to see what he has to say about a PSU and he praises seasonic too. I do not have the same feeling with corsair though because of the builder series tongue.gif but I guess Seasonic has bad units too?

And are we reaching a ceiling in PSU efficiency? Are we ever going to reach 96-99% efficiency?
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Brand recognition, it is a powerful marketing tool. I too feel like Seasonic are gods of PSU just because of publicity being made by people. I try to check johnyguru now and then to see what he has to say about a PSU and he praises seasonic too. I do not have the same feeling with corsair though because of the builder series tongue.gif but I guess Seasonic has bad units too?

And are we reaching a ceiling in PSU efficiency? Are we ever going to reach 96-99% efficiency?

 

There's technology coming over the next few years that will make everything we have now seem extremely primitive and clunky. I'm talking about suppressed technologies as well as some technologies that we'll receive from "friendly visitors who are here to assist us".

 

So, we'll think of 100% efficiency as being totally natural and everything will gradually become the way we all know it should be.

 

I'm referring to "free energy" technology. This is just a part of a much bigger picture that's getting ready to be revealed.

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post #45 of 46
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There's technology coming over the next few years that will make everything we have now seem extremely primitive and clunky. I'm talking about suppressed technologies as well as some technologies that we'll receive from "friendly visitors who are here to assist us".

So, we'll think of 100% efficiency as being totally natural and everything will gradually become the way we all know it should be.

I'm referring to "free energy" technology. This is just a part of a much bigger picture that's getting ready to be revealed.

Hmm I want to believe you but it sounds a bit esoteric to me tongue.gif You have any sources/articles? I don't think free energy will be used in the coming years to drive computers. Maybe in 50 years. But then we probably have one inside of our brain and project games directly on our retina tongue.gif I am really curious how long this form of desktop computing will hold out. I imagine screens that you can fold like paper and then a tiny box that connects wireless to it will be something in 10 years. Will miss upgradeability and thinkering with systems though frown.gif
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Hmm I want to believe you but it sounds a bit esoteric to me tongue.gif You have any sources/articles? I don't think free energy will be used in the coming years to drive computers. Maybe in 50 years. But then we probably have one inside of our brain and project games directly on our retina tongue.gif I am really curious how long this form of desktop computing will hold out. I imagine screens that you can fold like paper and then a tiny box that connects wireless to it will be something in 10 years. Will miss upgradeability and thinkering with systems though frown.gif

 

Everyone wants sources and articles. I doubt that I could find anything written by sources that you trust (that is, mainstream media sources, the kind of sources that never report what's really going on).

 

If you don't believe me, then don't worry about it. If you do, then that's cool too. Either way, I'll be vindicated when it begins happening. It's not a big deal if you don't, but this is going to begin happening in our near future. It won't be sudden or "overnight" because we're going to need people to help build everything in mass quantities, but still. When this starts happening, you might find yourself reading about new technology that's coming out that blows your mind far more than anything we can read about today in mainstream media.

 

So anyway, screens that fold like paper? That's nanotechnology called Buckypaper! It is a LOT more than just a paper technology!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMiQRiK5GY

 

This stuff is all very real and it's just one of the many things we're looking forward to. The Star Trek series shows a lot of what our reality can be like (it's based mostly on fact, not fiction as a lot of people want us to believe). A simple example is the Replicator. Seriously. Those things exist already, but it's being suppressed because if we all had various types of Replicators, then what need is there for money? That right there makes certain "bad people" shake inside their expensive clothing. Or how about no longer needing oil, or how about no longer needing electricity or city water? Oops. I guess they'd be screwed while we enjoy no longer having to pay for things that are freely provided by this planet and the universe itself. Before long (10-30 years), we will no longer need money. Yeah, that's right: the bad guys are going down very quickly.


Edited by TwoCables - 7/30/13 at 7:35am
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