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Hey all,

I've decided to part out my desktop in favor of a laptop. Seeing as my desktop is my main gaming rig and I already have a macbook pro for school/day-to-day use, I'd like this new one to be dedicated to gaming. Now, I'd say I know more than the average person about computers, but I'm still relatively ignorant as to the nuances of certain components.

As of now, the Sager NP8270-S is my top choice. I'd like to keep things under or around $1500, but if an upgrade is significant enough to be worth the money, I mmay consider it. That being said, are there any deviations from the stock build that would add a significant performance boost for the price? Also, I'm open to suggestions on other laptops that may be better bang for my buck.

Here is the link to the build options from xoticpc.com: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8270s-clevo-p170sm-p-5914.html?wconfigure=yes
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well, as you already have a notebook to use when you are on the move, I'll suggest you to get a SFF (small form factor) desktop PC. The performance difference between a notebook and a desktop is huge. And I mean, insanely massive .
A SFF is small enough that you can carry it in a airplane as a luggage bag without being too much of a PITA.
check out this thread for more info smile.gif http://www.overclock.net/f/50/small-form-factor-systems
And with a budget of $1500, you may even fit one 27 1440 panel.
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Hmm, I have to admit I wasn't entirely aware of that as a viable option. I'll have to do a little more research into it, but it sounds like that would be a perfect compromise. I greatly appreciate the suggestion and information!

My only issue is that I'm getting rid of the desktop due to the hassle of lugging it, and the required desk space, around. I've got a couple more years of school, which means bouncing around apartments.

How similar is putting one of these together to assembling a traditional desktop?
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Hmm, I have to admit I wasn't entirely aware of that as a viable option. I'll have to do a little more research into it, but it sounds like that would be a perfect compromise. I greatly appreciate the suggestion and information!

My only issue is that I'm getting rid of the desktop due to the hassle of lugging it, and the required desk space, around. I've got a couple more years of school, which means bouncing around apartments.

How similar is putting one of these together to assembling a traditional desktop?

Depends on how crazy you go, but really its just smaller so you have to be a little bit more aware of cooling requirements, and power requirements.
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Well, I don't need anything over the top, but I wouldn't mind being able to run most games on high-highest settings, if that's possible within my budget.

It seems like there's a decent bit of discussion about water cooling. Is that a necessary component for the most part? I just don't have any experience with using that type of system. How frowned upon would it be to request essentially a full build on the SFF forum? I think I've worked out the general idea/requirement, but better safe than sorry
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Well, I don't need anything over the top, but I wouldn't mind being able to run most games on high-highest settings, if that's possible within my budget.

It seems like there's a decent bit of discussion about water cooling. Is that a necessary component for the most part? I just don't have any experience with using that type of system. How frowned upon would it be to request essentially a full build on the SFF forum? I think I've worked out the general idea/requirement, but better safe than sorry
I'd leave watercooling out for now, for two reasons. Firstly doing watercooling in a small case is for the experienced user, as it will most probably require some kind of modding and a careful pick of specific component. Doable, not straightforward. Second, I'd not carry around a filled water loop due to its weight and the possibility of leaking. Personal opinion here. Water cooling surely helps, it's not necessary.
To give us a better idea of what you are thinking of build, please answer these questions.
AMD/Intel?
Dual or single gpu?
resolution of your screen? planning of getting a new one?
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If you were to go for the SFF desktop option, the difference in performance isn't THAT massive. Considering that you can't reliably use more than a single GPU in a mATX build and the cooling isn't going to be good enough to warrant high overclocking.

The Sager NP8270 is definitely the best option you could go for if you're actually considering it. The 780M is around on par with the GTX 670, so there's that... plus the 4700MQ is on par with the 3570k.

In all reality, the differences between modern day laptops and desktops is not that great. In terms of performance per dollar, you can achieve desktop performance just as easily with nearly any gaming laptop. Any overclocking you see on the desktop GPUs is easily enough attained with a laptop GPU that's based on the same core. GTX 680 hitting 1200mhz core? 780M can do it. tongue.gif
     
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Why are you parting out the desktop in favor of a gaming laptop? Are you going to be bringing it to LANS, back and forth to college or just to and from apartments as you move?

While there is a performance different, Insanely massive is not a fair comment anymore. I would never carry a SFF case, keyboard, monitor, mouse, and speakers around with me on a regular basis. if that is the use then I would go for the notebook.

Just be aware, notebook hardware costs more and gives you slightly less performance. A notebook GTX 770m will not perform as fast as a desktop model with similar naming.The configuration you picked out is no slouch, you wont get max settings on everything out their but it will handle itself well, and can be overclocked to gain performance if necessary. Just need to keep an eye on temperatures and get a notebook cooler.

As for performance upgrades on that laptop configuration... No operating system is included for that price. so if you have windows already you dont need to add it. but if you need it installed, then you should include that in the config as well. I would add an mSata SSD or a standard SSD to run the OS. that will make a world of difference in boot times and day to day use, as well as in game load times that are installed on the SSD. I wouldnt change much else otherwise. a 780m would be fantastic but would blow out your budget by $300 if you need to add windows to that configuration.
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If you were to go for the SFF desktop option, the difference in performance isn't THAT massive. Considering that you can't reliably use more than a single GPU in a mATX build and the cooling isn't going to be good enough to warrant high overclocking.

The Sager NP8270 is definitely the best option you could go for if you're actually considering it. The 780M is around on par with the GTX 670, so there's that... plus the 4700MQ is on par with the 3570k.

In all reality, the differences between modern day laptops and desktops is not that great. In terms of performance per dollar, you can achieve desktop performance just as easily with nearly any gaming laptop. Any overclocking you see on the desktop GPUs is easily enough attained with a laptop GPU that's based on the same core. GTX 680 hitting 1200mhz core? 780M can do it. tongue.gif

You can use dual GPUs without problems in a mATX case as little as the SG10, you just gotta be careful to pick a blower fan GPU. Head over to the SG09/10 thread for proofs :P

Or you can go full watercooling in a case like the Fractal Design Arc Mini. Cool builds around the web. Sager is a good machine, but you are paying $1500 for a 1080p 60hz TFT panel.. meh.. Sure you can get the 780M, it's $350 on top of the price of the 770M (stupid, yeah). Which will bring the total cost to a lovely $1700+.

 

I'm going to uni as well and I have a 12'' laptop with long battery life that I bring to uni almost every day. Also I have a SFF which stays at home and does UK-Italy twice a year without too much trouble. I leave the good peripherals in the UK and use the not-so good ones at home. TBH during summer I prefer going out and enjoy the sun.

["insanely massive" was only used to describe a significant difference, maybe it was not the appropriate term.]

No matter how the technology improves, laptop will always be thermals constrained. Notebook won't give you "slightly less performance". A 780M lags quite a lot behind the 780, look up GTX 670 vs GTX 780. Price wise, a 780M goes on ebay for £580 while a 780 can be found for £500.

 

It mostly boils down to personal preference, but if I were you I'd pick the SFF option. Silverstone SG05 is a cool little case (only single GPU, bit too small for GTX 780's length), SG08 is a bit bigger (single GPU, can fit a Titan easily), SG09/10 for mATX (SLI possible).

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You can use dual GPUs without problems in a mATX case as little as the SG10, you just gotta be careful to pick a blower fan GPU. Head over to the SG09/10 thread for proofs tongue.gif
Or you can go full watercooling in a case like the Fractal Design Arc Mini. Cool builds around the web. Sager is a good machine, but you are paying $1500 for a 1080p 60hz TFT panel.. meh.. Sure you can get the 780M, it's $350 on top of the price of the 770M (stupid, yeah). Which will bring the total cost to a lovely $1700+.

I'm going to uni as well and I have a 12'' laptop with long battery life that I bring to uni almost every day. Also I have a SFF which stays at home and does UK-Italy twice a year without too much trouble. I leave the good peripherals in the UK and use the not-so good ones at home. TBH during summer I prefer going out and enjoy the sun.
["insanely massive" was only used to describe a significant difference, maybe it was not the appropriate term.]

No matter how the technology improves, laptop will always be thermals constrained. Notebook won't give you "
slightly 
less performance". A 780M lags quite a lot behind the 780, look up GTX 670 vs GTX 780. 
Price wise, a 780M goes on ebay for £580 while a 780 can be found for £500.


It mostly boils down to personal preference, but if I were you I'd pick the SFF option. Silverstone SG05 is a cool little case (only single GPU, bit too small for GTX 780's length), SG08 is a bit bigger (single GPU, can fit a Titan easily), SG09/10 for mATX (SLI possible).

Ah, I should have been prepared for a difference in opinion. I suppose my only real argument for the laptop is the convenience factor, which isn't worth the loss in performance for a comparable price with a SFF. The more I think about it, the more I realize that I'll most likely have the space for a smaller desktop regardless of where I end up.

Thanks to all of y'all for the information and advice. I like the case suggestions, and I'll probably start posting in the other forum for build suggestions.
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