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Official patches removed x87 that's why the unofficial patch you're talking about has been deprecated.
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Plus you can offload computing to the cloud with these consoles, like AI and maybe lighting at some point...

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The latency for stuff that the player can alter directly so to speak is generally far too high with the cloud computing, so while you may see it in computing weather, effects of the weather, etc (As an example, there is more that it can do) it wouldn't really do much for a lot of other areas.

Forza has confirmed the use of the cloud for AI and take a look at nvidia's cloud lighting tech:

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The thing was, they had terrible developers coding. If you want to even call it that. Now dont think im hating on them, noooooo. Gta iv was god awful on the pc. Yeah, end and text mods made it berable, but the engine was awful. Skyrim? Where on earth does x87 code belong. Oh in a pentium 3. Its just god awful for everyone. You know that patch which added performance? Yeah, the one from a fan.......

I hate skyrim and gta iv performance. But that is the worst, consoles should not be thought to compete with that bs. We all know unoptimized games are terrible examples. So why bring them up, thats my moddo.

Sorry for errors but i hate tabs.

Definitely, but they are great examples of games that use a tonne of memory...Not from lack of optimization in a lot of areas too but because they're open world. (Even SR3 uses quite a lot at times)
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Forza has confirmed the use of the cloud for AI and take a look at nvidia's cloud lighting tech:

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I'd already heard, but you'd be unlikely to get much benefit from putting the AI of for example an FPS on the cloud due to the latency, although it will lower the need for memory in the games it really shows a benefit in.
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Definitely, but they are great examples of games that use a tonne of memory...Not from lack of optimization in a lot of areas too but because they're open world. (Even SR3 uses quite a lot at times)
I'd already heard, but you'd be unlikely to get much benefit from putting the AI of for example an FPS on the cloud due to the latency, although it will lower the need for memory in the games it really shows a benefit in.

In my opinion AI is one of these things which do make sense in the cloud as most of the time AI is not that latency sensitive (and can be highly parallel depending on how you do it) and for humans decision making time in hundreds of ms would feel quite natural during interactions with AI agent. With that kind of stuff, though, I suspect they would be offloading mostly out of sight interactions into the cloud. Say, for example, in Skyrim like game they might get away with full AI simulation for the entire world NPC population or increase populations substantially if off-screen interactions are handled in more abstract manner. They you can top it off with some kind of weather model, seasonal model and run a vegetation simulation on top of AI simulation, at least for plants which would be expected to sport some kind of variation over time span expected to be passing during a typical game.
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In my opinion AI is one of these things which do make sense in the cloud as most of the time AI is not that latency sensitive (and can be highly parallel depending on how you do it) and for humans decision making time in hundreds of ms would feel quite natural during interactions with AI agent. With that kind of stuff, though, I suspect they would be offloading mostly out of sight interactions into the cloud. Say, for example, in Skyrim like game they might get away with full AI simulation for the entire world NPC population or increase populations substantially if off-screen interactions are handled in more abstract manner. They you can top it off with some kind of weather model, seasonal model and run a vegetation simulation on top of AI simulation, at least for plants which would be expected to sport some kind of variation over time span expected to be passing during a typical game.

It varies by genre, while it'd work in an open world game like Skyrim (Bar maybe the combat physics, which would be able to be done on the console anyway) an FPS has players constantly changing around what they're doing, etc based off of what the game is like, I'd wager AI there wouldn't really work out with high latency in most situations.
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In my opinion AI is one of these things which do make sense in the cloud as most of the time AI is not that latency sensitive (and can be highly parallel depending on how you do it) and for humans decision making time in hundreds of ms would feel quite natural during interactions with AI agent. With that kind of stuff, though, I suspect they would be offloading mostly out of sight interactions into the cloud. Say, for example, in Skyrim like game they might get away with full AI simulation for the entire world NPC population or increase populations substantially if off-screen interactions are handled in more abstract manner. They you can top it off with some kind of weather model, seasonal model and run a vegetation simulation on top of AI simulation, at least for plants which would be expected to sport some kind of variation over time span expected to be passing during a typical game.

That's crazy when I did research AI tends to saturate RAM with low latency random access. It's impossible some AI to put on a cloud.

One simple example is TW unit battle. Imagine one soldiers who needs to decide which other two soldiers he would attack. How long the rest of the program can wait until the network delivers? Low latency for VDSL2 is 110 ms, a cloud far away would have latency 250 - 350 ms including computation.
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That's crazy when I did research AI tends to saturate RAM with low latency random access. It's impossible some AI to put on a cloud.

One simple example is TW unit battle. Imagine one soldiers who needs to decide which other two soldiers he would attack. How long the rest of the program can wait until the network delivers? Low latency for VDSL2 is 110 ms, a cloud far away would have latency 250 - 350 ms including computation.

Well - depends on how you do it. What I had in mind was running AI agents off in the cloud with them interacting with the game on the console mainly in immediate vicinity of the player or even AI work of nearby agents which are latency sensitive downloaded into the console and taken care there and then offloaded into the cloud again once the agent is not in immediate vicinity of the player. So in that example soldier would decide what to do based on feedback it gets from its envirvement, what can he see or detect, what are his standing orders, etc. He does not need to do the decision what he is going to do at high frequency, only when something changes in its environment. When something changes in the envirovement then some modest latency is pretty ok for stuff to feel still sort of natural. for example, solider taking about third of a second to react to incoming fire and hit ground, for example. Trick is to do it so that you are not waiting after AI and if it is important to have immediate AI response it should be done locally, for example, you are firing homing missile you do not want to to get sloppy and fly straight for a second until it figures out what to do.
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