Originally Posted by SpacemanSpliff
Agreed. And as I believe it was Alatar that pointed this out earlier, those poor business decisions led to a LOT of higher ups getting canned at AMD. In their defense, they are still dealing with damage control, but upper management is getting the ship directed in the right direction.... Unfortunately it's starting to look like it's still going to take atleast another year or two to fully get things turned around for AMD, which means a longer wait to see the possible balancing of the market... sigh...
And I don't want anyone to take that as fanboy talk... I'll buy whichever gives me better performance for the budget I have, I'm impartial in that regard.... but the poor business decisions you reference are a big part of why I've been stuck buying AMD for so long... the plain and simple truth is that Intel had no reason for the past 10 years to lower their prices to facilitate high performance at low to moderate budget levels because there was little competition from AMD to give them any reason to do so... a classic Catch 22 for someone who, as I did, suffered with having limited disposable income and building budget throughout the past decade. Those with the money didn't mind the premium prices and those that couldn't live without the performance found a way even if it meant building up piece by piece.
Yes this has been the bane of the enthusiasts since 2007 (The original bulldozer release date). I stuck it out with AMD as long as I could. All the way up until Sandy. I waited for Bulldozer and once I saw the ship was badly damaged I took a life raft (at great personal cost) to a ship that was going in the right direction.
A lot of people are upset. Some get really upset at those of us that jumped ship and are calling out bad financial and engineering decisions. I understand that, I also understand this could have been prevented.
We really have to hope that in 2 years they can have the ship turned enough around that they are on the right track again. Unfortunately for us the market is now being driven by tablets and smaller consumption driven devices. We can hope that APUs in the future will provide at least the minimum for performance that we ask for along with a dedicated discrete GPU in Xfire setup. However, if we're dependent on CPUs paired with dedicated cards then AMD may be lost to us as enthusiasts. It's pretty obvious that Intel has basically thought of the performance enthusiast market as an afterthought and in doing so has had no need to compete in performance or price. An example of this would be the fact I have had no meaningful reason to upgrade from the i7 2600k on a p67 platform. Although z78 looks good for the IGPU capability as a backup in case of GPU failure.
Originally Posted by Rayleyne
People keep forgetting that Iris can't crossfire, It's a 600+ cpu that's embedded rite, An apu thats maybe 80 bucks can crossfire with another 80 dollar gpu, BAM you just got higher graphic performance for 160 bucks total.
The tablet market is where APUs really shine. Anyone in the desktop market, at this point, should probably be investing in higher end equipment. I expect we'll see budget and low end components phasing out over the next 5 to 8 years.
While your point is correct with this delay it gives Intel more time to up their IGPU performance which has been slowly gaining on the AMD APUs which came out in an INCREDIBLE lead that has not been taken advantage of properly. I think we can all say we are very lucky that Intel does not own NVIDIA right now. That could be a nightmare for AMD and us as consumers.