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Originally Posted by DMHernandez View Post

Than do it in a mature way, if he felt the need to explain his decision he could have done it without the "I'm done" and the "Lolz I'm trending". That coupled with some of the statements he made in the past made it really hard to have any sympathy for the guy.

And while independent devs might be closer to the community, I would imagine that having to deal with the negative feedback and also having to explain to the share holders why everyone in the world is tearing up their product, will bring a lot more stress to one's life.

Cancelling development of Fez II seems like it was done in the heat of the moment so he probably didn't really think it through. However, doesn't change that it's probably the best thing for him to do anyway considering how much stress it causes him.

I'm pretty sure not everyone who works on the Xbox One has to deal with either of those. I'm sure there is a decent amount of stress involved, but I don't think you realize how much independent developers risk. They're not just dealing with negative feedback, they have to worry about a lot more such as running out of money before a game finishes development, which Fish actually did and same with Team Meat. Some people can handle it.. other people aren't built to.

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You clearly have much sympathy for the guy and his situation. That's fine. I get that. My question is how are the nasty things he has said in the past and how he has acted just swept under the table in your eyes?

Anxiety is indeed a serious thing, I can relate as I have actually had to get up and leave a room full of ppl because of it myself. It's a condition for some of us. But my question still stands, why do you feel his past negative actions/comments are above criticism?

I honestly would like to know. Please explain that to me. Thank you.

I never said he doesn't deserve criticism. I even said earlier that he deserves at least some criticism and that being a dick isn't really justified, but people are making it out to be like he's either doing it because he feels he can because he developed a critically praised game or acting as if his actions are a lot worse than they actually are. There's been some stuff said in this thread that is a lot worse than anything he's ever said and at least he has an excuse.. what's theirs except for the fact "it's the internet?"

Also, it's not sympathy that I feel for him. It's empathy. I know what it's like to lash out on people who really don't deserve it and no, that's definitely not justified either. It's an awful feeling and there's a ton of regret involved. Stress related anxiety is just really hard to deal with and I deal with both that and social anxiety on a regular basis, although the latter has gotten much better for me over the past year.
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Originally Posted by PureBlackFire View Post

man could have stopped using twitter, at least not have a personal account. it blows my mind how hopeless some people can make themselves. this guy and other haters don't work or live with you. they exist in your life over the internet and as such you can tune out their existence completely. hilarious and sad at the same time.
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Yea, pretty much...

if you make any content to be consumed by others, may it be book, movie, or games, there WILL be haters. How you deal with them is what counts.

He could've just ignored them, they exist only on the internet and are not part of his personal circle. I mean, i don't really care too much what people say on my Youtube channel or whatever, is it THAT hard to ignore the haters?
     
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What horrible actions has he done, exactly? After all the comments, I haven't seen much of that...

And keep in mind, BW just said "expressing a contentious opinion does not equate to trolling".
I wouldn't say horrible, just stupid.

When people asked if there was going to be a Fez PC version he said no, even if it would make him money cause PC's are only good for spreadsheets.
When an unknown japanese interviewer interviewed him and asked what he thought about modern japanese games he simply said that they "just suck" and that they were "******* horrible"
Then when did release a PC version after all and it sold he stated "it's #1 on steam right now and it's not even out yet. you should boycott harder, nerds."

He is just putting a big target above his head.
post #74 of 159
Okay, nice to have some idea of it. I kind of said actions, though, not words.

Every nerd criticizing the man has said that he should be able to stomach immature criticism. And yet, the people overhearing his indirect remarks can't ignore them?

Hm...even if it's mostly stuff that he said, I'd kind of like to see exact quotations. Someone once quoted Tycho (PA) with something pretty nasty, when it was really a leading question on Twitter that he just jokingly responded to in the affirmative.
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Well it's an indie developer so yeah I can see why he's backing out. The whole situation seem childish. Fish could have quietly stepped down and then try and land himself a job at some major gaming company. I don't know if this incident is going to ruin his rep but it's not a good look.
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Okay, nice to have some idea of it. I kind of said actions, though, not words.

Every nerd criticizing the man has said that he should be able to stomach immature criticism. And yet, the people overhearing his indirect remarks can't ignore them?

Hm...even if it's mostly stuff that he said, I'd kind of like to see exact quotations. Someone once quoted Tycho (PA) with something pretty nasty, when it was really a leading question on Twitter that he just jokingly responded to in the affirmative.
If you at least searched yourself you find that those ARE the exact quotations...

Btw, this comparison to people is dumb and you know it. Different rules for different people. it's simply how the world works.
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the more i read the more i think he might be autistic or bipolar or both. could explain the genius tough

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He might not be the nicest person, but haters are definitely a problem. People on the internet have no boundaries and will actively hate on someone, even if they don't know anything about the person or thing that they're hating on. I can completely understand why Fish is fed up with game development at this point. He's hardly gotten any appreciation for the work he's done (which he at least deserves a little) and he's gone through a ton of crap through the development of Fez.

Also, isn't it just a little hypocritical for Beer to call out Fish for being whiny when he's pretty much a professional whiner? I'm really not a fan of Beer. He puts out way too much sensationalist junk and always comes off as whiny.

I agree 100%. While I certainly have no love for Phil Fish the internet is a terrible place where people who don't like something you said about the state of Japanese game development will tell you they hope you die and want your family to get raped and things of that nature. There is always a subset of people who overreact to anything and go full psycho online in a way they never would in real life.

So I actually feel bad for Phil. He is a guy who obviously never realized that as prominent as he was he had to just shut up, turn over his official twitter to a PR person, and just make games. A lot of game designers are *******s who people may not like. That does not bother me as long as they make good games.
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Growing up pre-internet you only talked as tough as you could fight, so you learned some sort of respect for your enemies.

You didn't usually prey on the weak, but people like to seek the weak and break them down on the net.
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People went after the weak before the internet.
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