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Originally Posted by clubbin09 View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zPu9255ZI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zPu9255ZI its for the i5ks and i7ks

I did everything he said in this vid I got stable 4.6mhz im getting h100i so I can try for 4.8mhz
post #1702 of 2766
It doesn't matter. They have nothing to loose. If it doesn't OC to 4.6Ghz it is the chips fault.
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It doesn't matter. They have nothing to loose. If it doesn't OC to 4.6Ghz it is the chips fault.
it depends on your system and hardware just to say I was running 4.2mhz off a 2500k on a p8z68-l lx
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it depends on your system and hardware just to say I was running 4.2mhz off a 2500k on a p8z68-l lx

? I don't think you understand what I am saying. They can make whatever claim they want about how the board would overclock as long as they can blame it on the processor.
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? I don't think you understand what I am saying. They can make whatever claim they want about how the board would overclock as long as they can blame it on the processor.

if your saying is true I seen my old i5-2500k get over o.c to 5.0mhz on the same mobo so when I did the same settings I couldn't get over 4.2mhz so there is such thing as a dud cpu?
post #1706 of 2766
I would say from following the Haswell overclocking thread that significantly less than 50% of HWs are stable at 4.6 and above while staying within generally accepted temperature and voltage limits.

IB is a better overclocker than HW in the sense that it will hit higher Ghz but a 4.8 GHz IB will be outperformed by a 4.5 Ghz HW. Similarly....
SB is a better overclocker than IB in the sense that it will hit higher Ghz but a 5.0 Ghz SB will be outperformed by a 4.7 Ghz IB.

SB was pretty consistent in that (Source Asus test data)

1. Approximately 50% of CPUs can go up to 4.4~4.5 GHz
2. Approximately 40% of CPUs can go up to 4.6~4.7 GHz
3. Approximately 10% of CPUs can go up to 4.8~5 GHz (50+ multipliers are about 2% of this group)

IB couldn't go as high and was somewhat more inconsistent. HW is all over the place, with some hitting 4.6 at 1.45v and others hitting it at 1.20 volts. The amount of additional voltage req'd with each 0.1Ghz step is much higher with HW than IB which in turn was higher than SB.

The heat issue with IB was more varied than it is on HW ..... delidding has less of an effect on HW that it did on IB. Whereas IB seemed to have it's OC's limited by heat (hence delidding being more popular here), whereas HW seems to be primarily limited by voltage.


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Originally Posted by clubbin09 View Post

they say any haswell i5-4670k should be able to o.c to 4.6mhz at 1.280v but im just waiting on new cooler so I can aim for 4.8mhz

I think "they" is optimistic smile.gif

With BIOS 0804 I was at

45 multiplier / 45 cache ratio at 1.287 volts and 68C max core
46 multiplier / 46 cache ratio at 1.380 volts and 74C max core

BIOS 1102 borked all that

45 multiplier / 45 cache ratio at 1.32 volts and 74C max core
45 multiplier / 42 cache ratio at 1.29 volts and 67C max core
I tried 45/39 but performance in RoG Real Bench Image Editing was 3% slower than 45/42 about the same drop I got going from 46 to 45 on CPU multiplier.

46 multiplier / 46 cache ratio was unstable and I stopped experimenting until Asus addresses the issue w/ newer BIOSs.

And this with a 420 + 280 rads.... A H110 will give ya about the same temps as any of the bettr air coolers. (Phanteks PH-TC14-PE, Thermalright Siklver Arrow or Noctua DH-014)


Edited by JackNaylorPE - 2/28/14 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

I would say from following the Haswell overclocking thread that significantly less than 50% of HWs are stable at 4.6 and above while staying within generally accepted temperature and voltage limits.

IB is a better overclocker than HW in the sense that it will hit higher Ghz but a 4.8 GHz IB will be outperformed by a 4.5 Ghz HW. Similarly....
SB is a better overclocker than IB in the sense that it will hit higher Ghz but a 5.0 Ghz SB will be outperformed by a 4.7 Ghz IB.

SB was pretty consistent in that (Source Asus test data)

1. Approximately 50% of CPUs can go up to 4.4~4.5 GHz
2. Approximately 40% of CPUs can go up to 4.6~4.7 GHz
3. Approximately 10% of CPUs can go up to 4.8~5 GHz (50+ multipliers are about 2% of this group)

IB couldn't go as high and was somewhat more inconsistent. HW is all over the place, with some hitting 4.6 at 1.45v and others hitting it at 1.20 volts. The amount of additional voltage req'd with each 0.1Ghz step is much higher with HW than IB which in turn was higher than SB.

The heat issue with IB was more varied than it is on HW ..... delidding has less of an effect on HW that it did on IB. Whereas IB seemed to have it's OC's limited by heat (hence delidding being more popular here), whereas HW seems to be primarily limited by voltage.
I think "they" is optimistic smile.gif

With BIOS 0804 I was at

45 multiplier / 45 cache ratio at 1.287 volts and 68C max core
46 multiplier / 46 cache ratio at 1.380 volts and 74C max core

BIOS 1102 borked all that

45 multiplier / 45 cache ratio at 1.32 volts and 74C max core
45 multiplier / 42 cache ratio at 1.29 volts and 67C max core
I tried 45/39 but performance in RoG Real Bench Image Editing was 3% slower than 45/42 about the same drop I got going from 46 to 45 on CPU multiplier.

46 multiplier / 46 cache ratio was unstable and I stopped experimenting until Asus addresses the issue w/ newer BIOSs.

And this with a 420 + 280 rads.... A H110 will give ya about the same temps as any of the bettr air coolers. (Phanteks PH-TC14-PE, Thermalright Siklver Arrow or Noctua DH-014)


So I have no reason to update from the 0804 BIOS before starting to see what I can get out of my 4670K on my H100i in other words... also there might not be any valid incentive to risk delidding after all... hmmm.... good to know.
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Well I was forced to do it by Asus TS..... or they would help me with a driver issue insisting the new driver was meant to work with new BIOS. The fact that the driver predated the new BIOS file didn't seem to dissuade them from this obvious falsehood. I have asked in several Asus forums for a fix but nada on the responses.
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Well I was forced to do it by Asus TS..... or they would help me with a driver issue insisting the new driver was meant to work with new BIOS. The fact that the driver predated the new BIOS file didn't seem to dissuade them from this obvious falsehood. I have asked in several Asus forums for a fix but nada on the responses.

Can you revert back to the 804 BIOS? It is my understanding you can do this with the BIOS flash back feature, though I would check it with Asus. From what I can tell, it isn't safe to flash back from the running BIOS because OROM like intel ME is in use and can't be updated. But using flash back lets you do that because the BIOS is not active. I would check with Asus before doing this (though I am sure they will be reluctant to recommend people go back versions in BIOS from a support perspective).
post #1710 of 2766
BIOS Flashback is inappropriately named as you can upgrade as well as flashback..... but I am trying to save the dance back and forth and hoping to get an answer from Asus on what's going on here. The 09xx and 10xx BIOS's were pulled shortly after release and the machine gun releases of 11xx, 12xx and 13xx in bang, bang, bang fashion tells me not all is right in Denmark....er perhaps better said Tai Pei.

Don't wanna go back to 0804, tweak everything again and then find out 1402 fixes everything.
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