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Heloooooooo,

I'm stuck on these choices (the brands are more or less fixed, cause that's all i can easily get from the shops here in Malaysia)

usage: Gaming, and very light VMs (because i now can, with 16GB and all). No video editing/3d rendering. Savings are welcomed.

Upgrading from ; Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz with 6GB DDR2 1066Mhz ram, on Asus Maximus II Formula board. Will carry over my Intel 520 480GB SSD, 300GB Raptor + 2 x WD 320GB drives, and a sapphire 7950 OC card.
PSU is a Gigabyte Odin 800w.

Should i go straight for i7 4770K; rather than i5 4670K ? looking for a decent 4.5Ghz OC (with default vcore if possible - lottery i know)

16GB of RAM (rather than 8GB, this falls under "might as well/the itch")
Choice of between Corsair 1866C9 LP 1.5v or Kingston Hyper-X Beast 2400C11 1.65v
I've read about the Haswell OC limit + memory limitation; also on the 1.65v vs 1.5v debate, and can't really decide. Would 2400Mhz be "fast" enough to limit the 4.5Ghz OC i'm hoping for ? Reason for 2400Mhz : supposedly helps min frame rates ? Help.

Mobo: Asus Maximus VI Hero. good support/it just works/good on-board sound
I took a look at the GD65 gaming, but decided against it cause i prefer a simple Intel GE kit (without fancy QoS stuff really), no need for msata and the on-board sound seems/is better on the Hero (based on reviews).

Cooler: Noctua NH-U12s (would have gone for NH-U14s, but it blocks the first PCI-E 3.0 slot apparently. E-mailed Noctua for confirmation on that). Not keen on AIO water cooling kits (noise vs performance at the price point i'm looking at).

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Aboo154 View Post

Heloooooooo,

I'm stuck on these choices (the brands are more or less fixed, cause that's all i can easily get from the shops here in Malaysia)

usage: Gaming, and very light VMs (because i now can, with 16GB and all). No video editing/3d rendering. Savings are welcomed.

Upgrading from ; Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz with 6GB DDR2 1066Mhz ram, on Asus Maximus II Formula board. Will carry over my Intel 520 480GB SSD, 300GB Raptor + 2 x WD 320GB drives, and a sapphire 7950 OC card.
PSU is a Gigabyte Odin 800w.

Should i go straight for i7 4770K; rather than i5 4670K ? looking for a decent 4.5Ghz OC (with default vcore if possible - lottery i know)

16GB of RAM (rather than 8GB, this falls under "might as well/the itch")
Choice of between Corsair 1866C9 LP 1.5v or Kingston Hyper-X Beast 2400C11 1.65v
I've read about the Haswell OC limit + memory limitation; also on the 1.65v vs 1.5v debate, and can't really decide. Would 2400Mhz be "fast" enough to limit the 4.5Ghz OC i'm hoping for ? Reason for 2400Mhz : supposedly helps min frame rates ? Help.

Mobo: Asus Maximus VI Hero. good support/it just works/good on-board sound
I took a look at the GD65 gaming, but decided against it cause i prefer a simple Intel GE kit (without fancy QoS stuff really), no need for msata and the on-board sound seems/is better on the Hero (based on reviews).

Cooler: Noctua NH-U12s (would have gone for NH-U14s, but it blocks the first PCI-E 3.0 slot apparently. E-mailed Noctua for confirmation on that). Not keen on AIO water cooling kits (noise vs performance at the price point i'm looking at).

Thanks!

The extra threads will help on the 4770k with VM's, so not a bad option.

Would definitely opt for the 2400MHz memory, although probably would not go with Kingston personally. Would prefer a G.Skill variant because probably less money but better or equal quality. With the prices of memory this day and age, going with slower memory seems pretty nonsensical because even 2400MHz is more than affordable. Performance increases over slower memory are definitely there, regardless of what the group think mentality may want you to believe.

Would probably go for an ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Professional or an Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC if I was spending around $200.

Well, let me help you revisit AIO water cooling kits. They cost about the same as the top performing Air Coolers, except they always perform better and shine at higher overclocks or when the processors are emitting higher levels of heat ie. Haswell. They are practically maintenance free, besides some air canister dusting through the fans and radiator. If you ever want to access the CPU, it's much easier to remove the block than an Air Cooler. If you ever need to do work around the cooler, it's easier to remove the block in minutes. Did I mention, they always perform better than their Air Cooling counterparts? I mean always, and please don't make me post 6 different reviews to prove my point like I have had to in the past. Coolers I'd look into would be the Corsair H110 or NZXT Kraken X60.
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But if you want to have some looks going on, get a H100i! I have my 3930k (ASUS Auto-Tune) with an ambient of 27c (No Air-Conditioner; fan mostly) at 4.7GHz @ 68c. The H100i with stock fans, without Corsair Link as that thing won't work. I am trying workarounds ATM. What do you say about that?

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Should i change the PSU ? it's about 4 years old. I'd rather not and save the money.

The new Noctua's seem to match the AIO water kits (below H100i) and at half the cost (here anyway) and much less noise.
4.5ghz seems wishful, so I'd be happy with 4.3Ghz or so.

The H110 won't fit properly in my case anyway, a Silverstone TJ-07. Silverstone support suggests placing the radiator on the bottom...
Edited by Aboo154 - 7/30/13 at 3:22am
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In my opinion, the thing to consider is how much the VMs mean to you, compared to other things. While the i7 has a great advantage in running those, for day-to-day tasks, or even gaming, there's not much of a difference between the i7 and the i5, and there's about a $100 price difference.

My two cents.
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If you are messing around with VM's go with the 4770k and if not go with 4670k.
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I agree with ThunderBird. If the VM's are there to just toy with and not for serious use, get the i5.
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