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AMD are the lesser of the two evils by far. AMD never engaged in anti-competitive practices like Intel has and does. AMD never bribed, forced or somehow got developers to cripple Intel's hardware, Intel do which is evident with Cinebench for one (it drops to SSE on AMD and but uses AVX on Intel).

redface.gif I did not know this;That is extremely foul.AMD does pretty good in Cinebench,even just using SSE.
 
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How can you seriously believe a giant with billions upon billions of research, that can just buy off 10X the design teams of NVIDIA and AMD combined, would be "unable" to design a good GPU?

It is obviously either IP restrictions or market forces (perhaps anti-trust laws fears) that are doing it.

It's just so blatant that you will need targeted proof of their researchers "stupidity" to disprove it.

And the market for product is fast disappearing. I happen to know for a fact that one of the largest retailers in the US still has 30% of their purchased Nvidia 500 series cards unopened unsold. They reduced their orders for 600 series cards the next year. Today over 50% of their 500 series cards are still unsold in boxes. AMD cards at the same retailer are still in stock and every few months the price goes down for all this stock that is not being purchased. The days of a every computer needing a graphics card are long gone. You and I and gamer may love them but they are going to get more and more expensive and sell fewer than ever. What I am saying is yes Intel attempted to make the Graphics Card that was going to kill all other graphics cards but when in 2009 they realized their card was not anywhere close to the performance offered by competition they balked and said 2010. In 2010 they fell further behind as Nvidia and AMD both improved stream processor counts and lowered power efficiency. At the same time they were beginning to notice that laptops had passed desktop sales and the virtualized citrix desktop movement had started in the business world. They moved the entire project to server based modes instead of GPU cards as the market for GPU outside of specialized cards is now dead. Even if they wanted to go back and try to make one the amount of money they would spend to catch up and pass NVIDIA/AMD is so high it would take years of monopoly price setting to make the research development investment back. But hey if they want to throw money away on a dying two horse race good on ya.
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post #23 of 24
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How can you seriously believe a giant with billions upon billions of research, that can just buy off 10X the design teams of NVIDIA and AMD combined, would be "unable" to design a good GPU?

It is obviously either IP restrictions or market forces (perhaps anti-trust laws fears) that are doing it.

It's just so blatant that you will need targeted proof of their researchers "stupidity" to disprove it.

Answer: "You Can’t Make A Baby In A Month By Getting 9 Women Pregnant"

This is a fallacy that many non-developers and non-engineers believe. Complex technology projects have many pre-requisites for their many many phases.

One initial hurdle..... have you ever tried getting a two group of engineers from different companies/cultures to work together? You send months/years just trying to get them to communicate in a standard way.
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This is a fallacy that many non-developers and non-engineers believe.

It's easy to dismiss people in a condescending manner with simplistic arguments of the type "you are clueless, things need time", but at the same time fail to realize the bigger picture: Intel can just buy off any such design without even noticing it on their annual budget. They can just drop twice the budget AMD has for research on GPUs and notice it only as a "side project".

This is not a case of someone being "beaten" by AMD or NVIDIA. This is a case of someone that is so humongous compared to them, that it can buy them off at any time, finance the same research without even noticing it or in general just crash them at any moment.

i.e. You fail to realize they would not care if they "failed" once. It would be nothing for them to follow the "pre-requisitive" process you describe. They either did not do it by choice or they did do it but did not use it by choice. You will find it very hard to prove they just "failed because they are bad compared to AMD or NVIDIA" which is basically the simplistic argument that one hears.
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