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[Ars] Google: We can ban servers on Fiber without violating net neutrality

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Tucked away in Google Fiber's terms of service is one clause that might annoy some technically included users. "Unless you have a written agreement with Google Fiber permitting you do so, you should not host any type of server using your Google Fiber connection," Google tells subscribers to its Gigabit Internet service.

A man in Kansas named Douglas McClendon complained that this clause violates the Federal Communication Commission's Open Internet Order, which states that "Fixed broadband providers may not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices."

The FCC ordered Google to respond, and the company did so yesterday in a letter to the FCC that Wired obtained from McClendon. Google says its terms of service do not violate the FCC's Open Internet Order

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Is this normal among ISPs? I doubt they're going to enforce it on small home servers, but I didn't know if all ISPs have this in their ToS or not.
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Is this normal among ISPs? I doubt they're going to enforce it on small home servers, but I didn't know if all ISPs have this in their ToS or not.

its not among them all yet, but as they say, when one wears the plaid suit the others follow shortly thereafter.

banning minecraft is rediculous, but i can see why theyd cut enterprise servers off, from the data throughput some people and companies use for remote file downloads and such
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this is why

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/

they're pretty stupid though.

FCC say's you can't deny the customer, but then they acknowledge google's TOS? Rather than telling the consumer to bend over, shouldn't they be telling Google that they are overstepping their boundaries.....
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Normal. You run a home server and get caught, some nice things can happen. Anything from service removal until you comply, to disconnection, to even being blacklisted from the ISP. =) It's been like that for years really.
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Very situational, if you fired up the next facebook or twitter off your google fiber connection i'd imagine they'd have a good reason to complain.

But honestly I think this is just a guy w/ nothing better to do than nitpick google's TOS - As is- it DOES NOT go against the Open Internet Order - they specifically state (quoted above)

"Unless you have a written agreement with Google Fiber permitting you do so, you should not host any type of server using your Google Fiber connection"

This means you CAN host a server, Google just wants it in writing... it doesn't mean they wouldn't allow it, thus it's not breaking any rules.

This said I am sure thousands of Fiber users are already breaking this TOS without knowing it- almost all windows machines run built in servers for remote access/control. What about tools like GoToMeeting or JoinMe.

Let alone every kid's MC server or similar...


Google is just trying to protect themselves... I'm sure it's similar wording to any other company... this is crappy reporting on a trivial subject, they're [Ars] just after clicks IMO and attention as is Mr McClendon.

Also the article title is misleading and link baiting ...
Edited by pcguru000 - 7/31/13 at 7:49am
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I read this yesterday. I think the wording in the ToS to be very vague, but when Google described it in depth with the FCC paper, it was more clearer. I understand what is going on and what Google needs to do to protect the network, but yeah... The ToS needs to be clearer.
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Well then the next question is how hard it is to get these written agreements?
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How is it possible to not violate that TOS? "you should not host any type of server using your Google Fiber connection" Most ISPs say that you can't host servers that aren't for personal use. Never seen one flat out say no servers at all.
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Every ISP does this to commercial service, BUSINESS service is what allows most people to run legitimate servers. There are work arounds though, NO-IP is one.
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Net neutrality only involves the passing and manipulation of traffic, not the hardware.
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