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Yeah I was wondering about this very thing actually... if you could get Google fiber and start selling VPS slices for on a server rack. Guess not.
post #12 of 102
There is business class service that is the exact same as customer, but costs more and your allowed to have a server. My brother had to upgrade to business class to host a website and do specific internet things. I don't know why this comes as a surprise.
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this isnt surprising. Host a high traffic webserver off your home internet connection and most ISPs at least in CA will contact you to stop or upgrade to business. same goes for anything with high upload (seeding, p2p).
 
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Every ISP does this to commercial service, BUSINESS service is what allows most people to run legitimate servers. There are work arounds though, NO-IP is one.

This was going to be my comment. Nearly every ISP does this. To run a server you have to pay for the business line. On a residential line you will not be able to have a static IP and some even do port filtering and block some server applications. On my Charter account I can't run a Team Speak server unless I do some "manipulation", for example, but I don't because a TS server isn't worth risking getting banned from the only ISP in my area to offer faster than a 1.5Mbs line
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Is this normal among ISPs? I doubt they're going to enforce it on small home servers, but I didn't know if all ISPs have this in their ToS or not.
its norm in canada
 
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There is business class service that is the exact same as customer, but costs more and your allowed to have a server. My brother had to upgrade to business class to host a website and do specific internet things. I don't know why this comes as a surprise.
Also, note that business class also generally have a better service level agreement (SLA).
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Also, note that business class also generally have a better service level agreement (SLA).

Yeah, I've debated about going Business just to have much less down time on the Internet. Plus it would be useful and handy for many other things that I currently have work a rounds or VPNs to work for.
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How is it possible to not violate that TOS? "you should not host any type of server using your Google Fiber connection" Most ISPs say that you can't host servers that aren't for personal use. Never seen one flat out say no servers at all.

Read it fully, you totally skipped the first part (as everyone is doing for no reason other than to create drama IMO) - "Unless you have a written agreement with Google Fiber permitting you do so"

You ARE allowed to do it- you just have to ask permission... I don't see anything wrong with this.

Sure "any type of server" is VERY broad and could be worded better but this is just Google protecting itself as any good company should... instead of writing out a thousand "type of server" long list they are covering everything and will look into things on a case-by-case basis.
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Google knows their stuff. Broad ToS are very handy. This is a great case in action: FCC wants an answer, and Google provides its in-depth explaination. In two years, the law changes, Google's explaination letter can change without needing a new ToS. ToS use 101.

As far as this all goes though, I'm suprised so many people are shocked, honestly. Especially at a place like OCN. When you are hogging tons of bandwidth consistantly, your ISP is going to investigate it, throttle, call, or disconnect it.

Now, my kid hosts a MC server, and I host a TS3 server, and have never had problems with Cox. If I did, I'm pretty sure I could get it cleared. Some simple talk can get a lot of things from an ISP, you'd be shocked. In fact, I just got HBOGO for free just yestarday. I'm don't even pay for HBO/Cinemax. You've got to love that.

So, really the server phrase is not aimed at the 14 year old in his parents basement hosting a server to play Minecraft with his buddies. It's aimed at the guy that wants to cut corners and run his webhosting service from home while only paying for personal use. Really, that just cheats all of the other costumers, if you ask me.
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They can justify, come up with euphemisms, etc., end result is still that google isn't net neutral.
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