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How does that cheat the other customers, It'd be no differant then me using the same amount of bandwidth for 1440p streaming, I pay for the connection, I pay for my data uses, Data is data, no matter how it's used.

Because you're thinking in the small picture. What if you have the servers PROVIDING that streaming service to many users? You are using a feature that other costumers pay extra.
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post #42 of 102
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I think they should just add the term "commercial" in front of servers to better define this. I guess as long as your servers are for recreational use (no money going in or out), its ok?

I pay CrashPlan to back up my computer which I remotely connect to from WAN..... is is a server? Yes. Is it "commercial? Yes, by your definition since money is going out.


Furthermore... how would Google even know if there are monetary transactions in the first place? They have no ability or right to find out.

It's not black or white..... so they cover themselves broadly.
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It's funny. Now that Google is the new "savior overlord," people now scrutinize them more thoroughly than the "evil greedy telecom monopolies."

This fleeting world is so paradoxical.
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Yah buys keep buying Androids!
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How do you legally define that difference? (hint, you can't!) So ISPs (like Google) have this broad statement banning "servers".


Making something broad is horrible, all sorts of people can get in trouble with such a statement. Also google can turn a blind eye but when it does not work in their favor then you are screwed. Google can take the time to define and refine it. I understand it is something minimal for them, but taking that extra step will show they care for their customers. All commercial businesses have licenses...that is one way to do it.
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Making something broad is horrible, all sorts of people can get in trouble with such a statement. Also google can turn a blind eye but when it does not work in their favor then you are screwed. Google can take the time to define and refine it. I understand it is something minimal for them, but taking that extra step will show they care for their customers. All commercial businesses have licenses...that is one way to do it.

Yes but the issue is no one reads these anyway. And if there was a 500 word technical essay about what types of servers you can and cannot have the guy like me would definitely not understand. I have no issues with this because if I was offering free water to my patients but charging outsiders 25 cents it would be like you coming in for a physical and filling up 4 gallons and sharing it with your friends. This clause protects me from you doing that because if it didn't i would get rid of the water and everyone would suffer.

I think that makes sense, analogies are not my strong suit.
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Realistically you aren't going to get shut off for hosting your own game server or vent/teamspeak server. It is for those that exploit the service, using it to run giant server farms.
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LOL Here I'm thinking it's 1996 when I had my first 6KB/Sec cable modem, or heck, even the modem ISPs I had before. All consumer plans have such a clause. The clause birthed with the first ISPs to offer consumer internet.
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Yes but the issue is no one reads these anyway. And if there was a 500 word technical essay about what types of servers you can and cannot have the guy like me would definitely not understand. I have no issues with this because if I was offering free water to my patients but charging outsiders 25 cents it would be like you coming in for a physical and filling up 4 gallons and sharing it with your friends. This clause protects me from you doing that because if it didn't i would get rid of the water and everyone would suffer.

I think that makes sense, analogies are not my strong suit.

So you are one of those doctors huh o.O
 
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Making something broad is horrible, all sorts of people can get in trouble with such a statement. Also google can turn a blind eye but when it does not work in their favor then you are screwed. Google can take the time to define and refine it. I understand it is something minimal for them, but taking that extra step will show they care for their customers. All commercial businesses have licenses...that is one way to do it.

That's reality. Law and contracts are tricky... that's why we have lawyers.

Again, Google can not ask customers to prove that they are not a business... they cannot do that legally. They have little power other than to state what they are allowed to kick off their network.

What's an air-tight definition of a "server" that is not overly broad?
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