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So I have 3 questions for a build I am planning for a friend that I need some help on. Need all your guys expert help for this smile.gif

The potential builds will be

2500k + Z68 $250 ish used (Buying used from a friend, proven OC to 4.8ghz on stock voltages)[at 4.8, it should match the 3570k and 4670k in terms of OC][mb only has 1.5 year warrant left]

3570 + z77 $290+tax (OC this to 4.0/4.1/4.2/4.2 using turbo)

4670 + B85 $300+tax (IPC roughly same as 3570 OC)[3.6/3.7/3.8/3.8]

3570k + z77 $310+tax (OC will be unknown, should at least match the 4670 IPC given, and likely higher in multi thread and with more OC)[4.2+ all 4 cores]

4670k + Z87 $350+tax (OC to 4.2 should be doable, highest performing option but also most expensive)[non z87 OC won't be an option I think][4.2 all 4 cores]

I will be getting a CNPS10X Optima regardless of which build as I get get them on sale for under $10+MIR and I detest the stock Intel cooler. Any budget saved will go to other parts. Chipset features are largely irrelevant. CFX and SLI are not under consideration for now.

Questions

1. Will the potential of new instructions such as AVX2 and FMA3 be utilized in games coming out within the next 7 years? (Replacement build likely around then)
I don't know about the adoption of AVX and SSE4/4.1/4.2 in games or do they use older code like SSSE3 and SSE3 still? So if there is a lengthy time period till adoption by devs it boosts the argument for not getting Haswell. If there will eb quick adoption, then Haswell be the better option.

2. Extrapolating from past GPU speeds in relation to PCIe, going the route of PCIe 2.0 instead of PCIe 3.0 should not be too much of a concern as the top end cards have barely saturated PCIe 1.1 x16 so PCIe 2.0 x16 should be good for PCIe 4.0 and potentially obsoleted at PCIe 5? This means future GPU upgrade should not be bottle necked by PCIe 2.0 on the z68 for the life time of this build?

3. Given that Haswell has removed the 4 free bins on top of the highest turbo bin, any non K cannot be over clocked. For the 4670, is there the option on B85 boards to change the turbo multi for 4 cores active from 36x to 38x or will it require an z87 board or is it simply impossible?

My conclusion for best price/perf assuming new instructions are not used and pcie 2.0 is still viable.

1. 2500k
2. 3570
3. 3570k
4. 4670
5. 4670k

If PCIe 3.0 is needed then choose on of the Ivy options. If new instruction sets will be rapidly adopted then Haswell wins. So the answer to those two questions will be key.

Thanks!
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post #2 of 9
I would go with haswell so that you will have the option to upgrade to broadwell without having to replace the mobo.
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I would go with haswell so that you will have the option to upgrade to broadwell without having to replace the mobo.

I doubt there will be any upgrades to this system except maybe ram, storage or GPU.

The only major issues I am worried about are if new games are going to quickly make use of new instruction sets and if PCIE 2.0 X16 or x8 will bottleneck GPUS 3-5 years from now
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I doubt there will be any upgrades to this system except maybe ram, storage or GPU.

The only major issues I am worried about are if new games are going to quickly make use of new instruction sets and if PCIE 2.0 X16 or x8 will bottleneck GPUS 3-5 years from now

Well in any case, I certainly would not go with the sandy bridge system unless you are willing to dump the extra money all into a better GPU.

If you are sure you will not upgrade, then I personally would be looking at a used ivy bridge system.
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go for the $250 platform you can get from your friend.

the only difference with pci 3.0 is with a high end multi gpu setup and thats tri or quad. as far as the adoption rate of AVX2; that would depend on the hardware before the devs. i cannot see them putting out games that will have features when most of the hardware like sandy or ivy won't support it (or AMD for that matter). but who knows? 7 years is a long time.

i5-2500k still rocks when gaming after two years and there really is nothing on the horizon to take that away. if you were definitely buying all new then that would be a different story but the deal your friend is offering is pretty good and i am sure that extra $40-$60 will come in handy.
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I would go with haswell so that you will have the option to upgrade to broadwell without having to replace the mobo.

Maybe this.

If not, then I would go 2500k for gaming, then just keep upgrading GPUs until you are where C2Q's are now (50% or less in performance compared to current gens).

2500k will OC like a champ probably, get a good VRMs, and OC the heck out of it, AIO WC or something, 5GHz stable. That is what I would do. smile.gif

GPUs are upgrade-able on a 2-3 year scale usually if you want optimal settings, unless you go insane with a 690 or something. CPU+Mobo is every 4+ unless you go crazy with a SR-2 and 3930k's lol.
    
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Choice #1 all the way! You already have a guaranteed 2500K that can do 4.8Ghz on stock (that's really nice). I don't see why you wouldn't go that path. All my games played with the same FPS coming from a 5Ghz 2550K (no iGPU) vs my now current 4.7Ghz 3570K, so you should be good with a 4.8Ghz 2500K. Even if it was at stock, you wouldn't see much of a FPS loss.

PCIE 2.0 vs 3.0 shows 0~3% difference for most card setups and it only gets drastic once you start spending $1K+ for your graphics cards (triple/quad).
    
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Choice #1 all the way! You already have a guaranteed 2500K that can do 4.8Ghz on stock (that's really nice). I don't see why you wouldn't go that path. All my games played with the same FPS coming from a 5Ghz 2550K (no iGPU) vs my now current 4.7Ghz 3570K, so you should be good with a 4.8Ghz 2500K. Even if it was at stock, you wouldn't see much of a FPS loss.

PCIE 2.0 vs 3.0 shows 0~3% difference for most card setups and it only gets drastic once you start spending $1K+ for your graphics cards (triple/quad).
^2nd this thats a nice sandy chip:thumb:
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Thanks for all the input and opinions everyone smile.gif

I'll go with choice #1 and invest that $50 somewhere else in the system

Happy gaming!
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