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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post

I kind of get the impression they're trying (read: not done yet) to make a "universal OS" that just works on any platform, be it smartphone, tablet, or desktop. Something a consumer will recognize and feel comfortable with... but they made the mistake of forcing a very tablet-esque UI on desktop users without much flexibility.

Creating a unified OS has been their stated goal... But then they didn't move towards that goal AT ALL.

Look at Apple and Google. They both have a tablet/Phone OS and a Desktop OS (for Google its ChromeOS).

So what does Microsoft have?

They have a Phone-only OS in Windows Phone.
And then they have Tablet-Only OS in Windows RT.
And then they have a Tablet-Desktop hybrid OS in Windows 8.

That's 3 OSes.
It takes a company with truly pisspoor leadership to try and unify something by segmenting it further. Add to that the confusion resulted from Tablet being listed twice. Even more confusing, not all Windows 8 apps run in RT, even though their target platforms intersect. Basically this creates behind a giant question mark that consumers aren't bothering to figure out- its easier to stay on a platform that makes sense.

Also, its far more intuitive to develop something for both phones and tablets (which differ in form factor ONLY by size, remember) than for tablets and Desktops. If you want to develop for phones and tablets, you have to target and test against RT and WP, 2 very different OSes! And they wonder why they have no apps.

So, considering the above, the logical conclusion is that... Actually, what's next? Will Windows Phone will be dropped, leaving only RT and 8? But then RT is stillborn, so I assume it'll be dropped instead... Which means Microsoft will only support x86 tablets going forward...?

But, to unify, will they drop both RT and WP? But then... then they won't support anything ARM if they do that? Again, nothing but question marks from Redmond.
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post #32 of 38
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I seriously wish people would let this misconception die already.
XP was absolutely rubbish when it was first released.
Vista apparently be horrible was down to OEMs who used low end machines and manufacturers who couldn't put together decent drivers.
7 is just Vista SP3
8 apparently be horrible is down to people not liking something this is used very little compared to the actual desktop/takbar bar and their icons.
Seriously how many hours a day do you sit looking at the start menu on XP/Vista/7?

2 biggest issues with the UI for the newest kernel release we call windows 8.

I have to trick the system to show me buttons I want to use, with that annoying charms menu, or placing my cursor just right in the bottom left corner if I want the 'start menu' without hitting my windows key.

This leads me to my second point, I have 3 monitors, hit windows key EVERYTHING GOES AWAY and I'm stuck with this useless massive metro interface for no reason WHATSOEVER that is NOT easy to get back to desktop from. This is called a software precipice, an innocuous looking button on your keyboard gets you to a point where its hard to return to where you were.. I am not a new user, when I hit windows key, or CTRL + R I expect the behavior that has been around in the OS since 95.

The Kernel in windows 8 is superior to the kernel in win7, but they screwed up the UI so badly its almost hard to give them any benefit of the doubt.

If they really wanted to be an apple, they would stop supporting 15 year old hardware in their operating system and we wouldn't have nearly as bloated or slow acting kernel as we do now from windows.


Or, I'll just install Mint on my personal computers and be done with M$.
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post #33 of 38
Have said and read other's negative posts about Win 8. Everything said is coming to fruition and or proving true in many ways. I still have hope MS will redeem itself with windows 9.
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Or, I'll just install Mint on my personal computers and be done with M$.

Attempting to do this with debian stable myself. Bout to give up on it though. The community is mostly useless with tech problems it seems thus far. Not sure what can replace windows if what I've seen of debian community is any indication of the broader linux community in general. I'm even debating going apple at this point.
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post #34 of 38
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Won't comment on the windows 8 thing. Have said my bit about it before and got trolled hard. Everything I said is coming to fruition and that's all I need to know. I still have hope MS will redeem itself with windows 9.
Attempting to do this with debian stable myself. Bout to give up on it though. The community is mostly useless with tech problems it seems thus far. Not sure what can replace windows if what I've seen of debian community is any indication of the broader linux community in general. I'm even debating going apple at this point.

I run unbuntu on my servers, Mint is essentially Windows for Linux... its even easier to set up then Ubuntu... Debian is a very bad idea if you're not a linux enthusiast because they like old, stable, tested and minimalistic for the most part. If you can't interpret their command line, they likely won't go far to help you.

If you're going linux, try Ubuntu or Mint... Basically Mint if you don't like Mir (Canonicals display server).
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Windows 8 doesn't even work that well on a tablet. I had a surface pro briefly before returning it. As soon as you exit metro you are left a non-tablet optimized os. Scaling on the 1080p 10" screen made everything so miniscule and dpi settings can only do so much without making things weird. Some apps like photoshop simply don't scale. This means you need a keyboard and mouse anyway or the very least use the pen. Metro apps are fine but you can't do much with those. On top of that the device had overheating issues, random blue screens, and 1 hour battery life when using photoshop. At least it felt well made.


I hope a day comes when I can move away from Microsoft.
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post #36 of 38
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Microsoft seems to have tried to do what Apple has been doing with OS X and iOS the last few years -- making them more similar, sharing design and core functionality across platforms. But they seem to have overshot it.

They haven't overshot it. They have completely screwed it up.

You can theme a desktop OS and add some features from its mobile version. That's okay, as long as you keep the core desktop features that make it a desktop OS.

But what you cannot do is shove down the users' throats a mobile OS with an app that 'makes it look' like a desktop OS. Because I shall remind you, Desktop for W8 is an app, not a native desktop like W7's.
   
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Creating a unified OS has been their stated goal... But then they didn't move towards that goal AT ALL.

Look at Apple and Google. They both have a tablet/Phone OS and a Desktop OS (for Google its ChromeOS).

So what does Microsoft have?

They have a Phone-only OS in Windows Phone.
And then they have Tablet-Only OS in Windows RT.
And then they have a Tablet-Desktop hybrid OS in Windows 8.

That's 3 OSes.
It takes a company with truly pisspoor leadership to try and unify something by segmenting it further. Add to that the confusion resulted from Tablet being listed twice. Even more confusing, not all Windows 8 apps run in RT, even though their target platforms intersect. Basically this creates behind a giant question mark that consumers aren't bothering to figure out- its easier to stay on a platform that makes sense.

Also, its far more intuitive to develop something for both phones and tablets (which differ in form factor ONLY by size, remember) than for tablets and Desktops. If you want to develop for phones and tablets, you have to target and test against RT and WP, 2 very different OSes! And they wonder why they have no apps.

So, considering the above, the logical conclusion is that... Actually, what's next? Will Windows Phone will be dropped, leaving only RT and 8? But then RT is stillborn, so I assume it'll be dropped instead... Which means Microsoft will only support x86 tablets going forward...?

But, to unify, will they drop both RT and WP? But then... then they won't support anything ARM if they do that? Again, nothing but question marks from Redmond.
Yeah it's a real mess. Hopefully they will give up and go back to supporting desktop users properly.
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They haven't overshot it. They have completely screwed it up.

You can theme a desktop OS and add some features from its mobile version. That's okay, as long as you keep the core desktop features that make it a desktop OS.

But what you cannot do is shove down the users' throats a mobile OS with an app that 'makes it look' like a desktop OS. Because I shall remind you, Desktop for W8 is an app, not a native desktop like W7's.
I agree. I was just being polite haha. I'm avoiding Windows 8, but quite like 7.
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Nearly all consumer based pc's run on Windows and doing something "new" and not testing it with at least thousands of people and then just throwing it at the consumer was a bad idea.

That's microsoft's standard MO. The more I watch that company's actions, the more they stay the same. You'd think "Well, they have to be changing and ever evolving. They have to change with the times, or they'll die just like any other company that won't change." But they're not. They remain true to their same old ways, that they must dominate and monopolize and squeeze everyone else out. Most people don't notice, but the computer world is outgrowing microsoft. Too many 3rd party companies are making multi platform software that will run on anything. The more that happens, the worse it gets for microsoft, and that's one thing that they can't stop. They need to just stick to what they are good at, and what they know. But they refuse to. Like with the Xbox one, they try to be as intrusive and manipulative as possible.
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