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Skyrim doesn't run smooth here, single or dual card.

What cards are you using?
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Everyone knows a 7990 will get higher fps than a 690 or a Titan. What he meant by trailing is that Nvidia's implementation of frame pacing is still superior and delivers less frame time variance than AMD's.

frame pacing aside , my 670 stuttered like mad compared to my 7970 when i was running single gpu setup, I can also confirm that the 7970 in single mode is also further improved from this update. Super smooth. I was considering selling my 7970's and going for a 780 if this update wasn't adequate but i will be staying put for awhile longer. Atleast until a single gpu from either nvidia or amd comes out that can match these 2 beasts with a price tag of no more than $800.. Think i might be waiting awhile smile.gif Great work.
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But is it perceptible?

Theoretically yes. With smaller frame time variations you'll have frames being sent to the monitor at a steadier rate and they're all going to be about the same size on the monitor (assuming steady fps) meaning you get a better experience.

In reality though, I doubt a single person here could tell the difference. But. The same also goes for a small change in fps.

You could make the exact same argument for card X getting say 5 more fps in the 70fps range. In reality no one would notice but since it's OCN we're gonna fuss over it as anyways. Pursuit of performance and all that...
 
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What is a good program that can monitor FPS and display it on a graph with FPS on the y and time on the x?

This graph should be view-able after the fact.
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Everyone knows a 7990 will get higher fps than a 690 or a Titan. What he meant by trailing is that Nvidia's implementation of frame pacing is still superior and delivers less frame time variance than AMD's.
True but Guru3d states that you can't really notice much difference between the two now and states that if these are improved furter they will be pretty much on par in perceptible frame rate.

The gen after Hawai line up will most certainly have hardware based metering.
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OC reset so yeah quite possible.
Card wasn't OC in the first place.
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These drivers made a huge difference on my sig rig when it came to running Skyrim. I have it heavily modded with about 100 mods, and ENB and all that jazz. Good work by AMD, I never realized that the stuttering this entire time was crossfire microstutter and not my cards choking on the mods sometimes.
 
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What is a good program that can monitor FPS and display it on a graph with FPS on the y and time on the x?

This graph should be view-able after the fact.

Fraps can record FPS to an excel file and you can make a graph from that info.
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But is it perceptible?

I have a feeling that this is one of those things that either company could invest significant resources in for no tangible benefit other than a nice straight line on a graph.
I think you are right. The frame pacing that AMD has done is great, i dont think getting the frame pacing times lower will do anything visibly to the end user. Instead they should work on clearing the anomalies and fixing vsync with frame pacing.
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Theoretically yes. With smaller frame time variations you'll have frames being sent to the monitor at a steadier rate and they're all going to be about the same size on the monitor (assuming steady fps) meaning you get a better experience.

In reality though, I doubt a single person here could tell the difference. But. The same also goes for a small change in fps.

But at what point is any difference imperceptible to the human eye? It is an interesting question, and obviously very subjective as everyone sees things slightly differently.


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You could make the exact same argument for card X getting say 5 more fps in the 70fps range. In reality no one would notice but since it's OCN we're gonna fuss over it as anyways. Pursuit of performance and all that...

That's kind of the point - at what point should the companies stop chasing a line on the graph?

As an engineer I often have to determine when something is good enough (although usually there are codes and standards to help) so I'm wondering at what point AMD / nVidia will decide that the results are 'good enough'
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