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Hi all, I just need help and opinions on good hardware!
Here's what I am looking at..fell free to offer up any changes.

BitFenix Prodigy mini itx case
WD 1TB Black (4x)
G.Skill Rip Jaw 16GB DDR3 1333
JetWay JNF9A-Q67 LGA 1155 Intel Q67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s Mini ITX Intel Motherboard
Windows Home Server 2011
Intel 520 series 180GB SSD
Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2
Need power supply suggtions

This server will be used for backup to 3 desktops and 2 laptops. It will also have a HTPC running on it.
post #2 of 14
I'm not sure a Xeon is really necessary.

That hardware seems way over kill to me for what you want to do. I think you could all that with an i3.

I'm assuming that SSD will be the boot drive? The popular view point in this forum is that SSDs are not really that necessary in servers since they don't go down very often.
 
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I'm not sure a Xeon is really necessary.

That hardware seems way over kill to me for what you want to do. I think you could all that with an i3.

I'm assuming that SSD will be the boot drive? The popular view point in this forum is that SSDs are not really that necessary in servers since they don't go down very often.
Yeah I did a bit more research which I should have done before I posted, lol. I read that an AMD might be better? The reason I think AMD is because this will actually be a HTPC/Server build. So would something like an AMD A6 5400k with great integrated graphics be better than an Intel?
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Also instead of WD blacks I plan on getting 5 1 TB WD Blues to run in a raid 5. The new mobo Im looking at supports raid 0/1/5/10 so I would not have to get a raid card
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RAID 5 on onboard controllers are not very reliable and typically slow.

Lose the Q67 board and get a H67 or H77 board with an i3 proc. That will run fine for backups and HTPC purposes without needing a separate graphics card. Also a 180gb ssd won't be needed for the os drive. Get a smaller drive like a 60gb and save money.
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post #6 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKin08 View Post

Also instead of WD blacks I plan on getting 5 1 TB WD Blues to run in a raid 5. The new mobo Im looking at supports raid 0/1/5/10 so I would not have to get a raid card

Quote:
Originally Posted by jibesh View Post

RAID 5 on onboard controllers are not very reliable and typically slow.

Lose the Q67 board and get a H67 or H77 board with an i3 proc. That will run fine for backups and HTPC purposes without needing a separate graphics card. Also a 180gb ssd won't be needed for the os drive. Get a smaller drive like a 60gb and save money.

I may or may not be remember right, and it may not apply to WHS v2 but I remember WHS v1 the minimum hard drive size was actually 80 gigs. Wouldn't surprise me if it was same or similar for v2.

Also, I would recommend one of the third party tools for WHS v2 for the storage pool...okay i can't remember the WHS term for it...over any kind of hardware RAID. WHS v1 had the drive pool feature that was taken out of v2 for some reason and subsequently a whole bunch of third parties offered alternative solutions for it.

Not sure how important the GPU is for an HTPC setup. I do know as a general rule the on-CPU GPUs of AMDs are supposed to be much superior to the Intels. But I'm not really an expert in that area.
 
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post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by jibesh View Post

RAID 5 on onboard controllers are not very reliable and typically slow.

Lose the Q67 board and get a H67 or H77 board with an i3 proc. That will run fine for backups and HTPC purposes without needing a separate graphics card. Also a 180gb ssd won't be needed for the os drive. Get a smaller drive like a 60gb and save money.
1) So would you recommend a raid controller?
2) Should I just dump the ssd completely? The pc will be running 24/7 so the more I think about it, the less great an ssd sounds in this sort of build...
3) Why do you recommend an i3 over amd? I personally have always been an intel fan but after reading reviews, I'm stumped on this build.

@Subassy
Isn't it possible to instead just run something like win8 pro instead of whs and have that as the "home pc" in the network? Then wouldn't that still allow all computers to use a common "share drive"? haha sorry for complete lack of knowledge in this area of computers, ive only really done multiple gaming builds, not networks and servers rolleyes.gif
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NOTE: WD Blacks and Blues are not meant to be ran in raid due to TLER being disabled on those drives. WD started disabling that feature in 2010, they used to have a utility to enable TLER but to my knowledge it doesn't work on the newer drives. If you're planning to RAID the drives I recommend you go with WD Red's or RE4's.

An i3 will handle what you want without a hitch whatsoever. Get a smaller SSD you don't need that much space if you will be backing up to the RAIDed HDDs, however keep in mind that RAID is not proper backup therefore, you will need to backup "important" files to a hard media or use offsite backup.

For proper RAID 5 you will need to get a dedicated RAID card, however those are not exactly cheap, I usually recommend Areca cards mainly because they have a WebGUI management and don't rely on Java as LSi and Adaptec cards do.

Edit: Make sure you check compatibility lists on manufacturers site, as not all RAID cards work on enthusiast/consumer motherboards. Also I advise you avoid any products made by HighPoint.
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post #9 of 14
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NOTE: WD Blacks and Blues are not meant to be ran in raid due to TLER being disabled on those drives. WD started disabling that feature in 2010, they used to have a utility to enable TLER but to my knowledge it doesn't work on the newer drives. If you're planning to RAID the drives I recommend you go with WD Red's or RE4's.

An i3 will handle what you want without a hitch whatsoever. Get a smaller SSD you don't need that much space if you will be backing up to the RAIDed HDDs, however keep in mind that RAID is not proper backup therefore, you will need to backup "important" files to a hard media or use offsite backup.

For proper RAID 5 you will need to get a dedicated RAID card, however those are not exactly cheap, I usually recommend Areca cards mainly because they have a WebGUI management and don't rely on Java as LSi and Adaptec cards do.

Edit: Make sure you check compatibility lists on manufacturers site, as not all RAID cards work on enthusiast/consumer motherboards. Also I advise you avoid any products made by HighPoint.
Wow I didn't realize that about the blues and blacks, thanks! Now that I hear this talk about needing a raid card as well, im pondering if I should stick with mini-ITX. The reason being is because ill need open PCIe spots for the tv tuner card and now a raid card.. thoughts? What are good 1155 boards for an htpc/server type build?
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Ok so a couple of thoughts here. First up drop the SSD completely for WHS2011. The install disk needs to be 160 GB at the least for it to install, the performance trade off is largely useless. I'd recommend just getting a 250 GB 2.5" drive and installing everything on there. The smaller the disk the better as it will keep you from trying to store things on it when you run out of space on your other drives (it will happen eventually haha).

Second drop the raid card and use a software solution if you want drive pooling. WHS v1 came with a utility to do it but that has been deprecated in WHS2011. If you want that function then StableBit Drive Pool is what you want to look at along with their drive scanner. WHS2011 will bug you constantly if you don't have another backup elsewhere and since RAID isn't backup then I wouldn't worry about it. A better idea and real backup is to have your drive pool and backup to a external drive when WHS2011 reminds you to.

As a note: My honest opinion about using a third party pooler is to not bother with it. Outside of the server from another PC you wouldn't know whether the drives are pooled or not. Performance increases are minimal from it as well. It does make setup easier though if you don't spend time organizing your files anyways. It will look like one big drive with folders. Personally I keep my setup very organized and each disk I add is for a specific storage. IE one disk is media, the next documents, the next system images, and etc... That way if I have or want to pull a drive and stick it in another machine it is very easy to do and I know which disk holds what.

Ok now for the last item. How do you plan to use it as a HTPC? This OS was designed to be a headless system. Be prepared to do a lot of tinkering to make it look and run like any other Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 system. Possible yes but annoying. A great idea and I have do it myself is to put in a tuner or two and then add the TV4Home add-in. Essentially all it does is install the MediaPortal backend and add a web interface for you to watch and schedule recordings from anywhere. You can also install something like Serviio or PLEX and run those as DLNA/server software to stream to any other device. Add a Roku to your budget and stick the server in a closet.
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