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Ok so a couple of thoughts here. First up drop the SSD completely for WHS2011. The install disk needs to be 160 GB at the least for it to install, the performance trade off is largely useless. I'd recommend just getting a 250 GB 2.5" drive and installing everything on there. The smaller the disk the better as it will keep you from trying to store things on it when you run out of space on your other drives (it will happen eventually haha).

Second drop the raid card and use a software solution if you want drive pooling. WHS v1 came with a utility to do it but that has been deprecated in WHS2011. If you want that function then StableBit Drive Pool is what you want to look at along with their drive scanner. WHS2011 will bug you constantly if you don't have another backup elsewhere and since RAID isn't backup then I wouldn't worry about it. A better idea and real backup is to have your drive pool and backup to a external drive when WHS2011 reminds you to.

As a note: My honest opinion about using a third party pooler is to not bother with it. Outside of the server from another PC you wouldn't know whether the drives are pooled or not. Performance increases are minimal from it as well. It does make setup easier though if you don't spend time organizing your files anyways. It will look like one big drive with folders. Personally I keep my setup very organized and each disk I add is for a specific storage. IE one disk is media, the next documents, the next system images, and etc... That way if I have or want to pull a drive and stick it in another machine it is very easy to do and I know which disk holds what.

Ok now for the last item. How do you plan to use it as a HTPC? This OS was designed to be a headless system. Be prepared to do a lot of tinkering to make it look and run like any other Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 system. Possible yes but annoying. A great idea and I have do it myself is to put in a tuner or two and then add the TV4Home add-in. Essentially all it does is install the MediaPortal backend and add a web interface for you to watch and schedule recordings from anywhere. You can also install something like Serviio or PLEX and run those as DLNA/server software to stream to any other device. Add a Roku to your budget and stick the server in a closet.
1) Yeah I am now planning on dropping the SSD completely. Useless once I thought about it and after these points were brought up.
2) Could you elaborate on the stablebit drive pool? And are you talking about leaving each drive as its own thing? For example, 1TB for media, etc etc, and not throwing all into one big drive?
3) I'm still studying a LOT on to make this HTPC possible as well...its starting to look like it might be a separate build but I will keep studying on...It has to somehow be possible!
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1) Yeah I am now planning on dropping the SSD completely. Useless once I thought about it and after these points were brought up.
2) Could you elaborate on the stablebit drive pool? And are you talking about leaving each drive as its own thing? For example, 1TB for media, etc etc, and not throwing all into one big drive?
3) I'm still studying a LOT on to make this HTPC possible as well...its starting to look like it might be a separate build but I will keep studying on...It has to somehow be possible!

Maybe you could establish what your definition of an HTPC is so we know we're on the same page. Will it sit in the living room next to the TV and have some kind of media interface/tv guide for recording? Will it just stream content from other PCs on the LAN?

I haven't done a lot of HTPC stuff but it seems like something that's going to have lots of fans and hard drives at some point is going to be audible and therefore not good for the living room. A noisy server in a back room streaming live tv/ripped movies/etc. to a silent PC is the living room makes more sense.

Also, I think Kylepdalton was trying to give you multiple options:
  1. drive pooling, in which you pile in a bunch of drives to make them look as one big drive -- this was in WHS v1 natively and only available by third parties in WHS2011 (thus the mention of StableBit Drive Pool).
  2. And a one-drive-per-purpose sort of a deal which he was saying is his preference (one for backups, one for movies/music, etc.)
 
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Also, I think Kylepdalton was trying to give you multiple options:
  1. drive pooling, in which you pile in a bunch of drives to make them look as one big drive -- this was in WHS v1 natively and only available by third parties in WHS2011 (thus the mention of StableBit Drive Pool).
  2. And a one-drive-per-purpose sort of a deal which he was saying is his preference (one for backups, one for movies/music, etc.)

Spot on.thumb.gif

I move drives a lot for backups and what not and it is just one of several solutions. It is just easier for me to put one drive in for media, one for docs, and etc. Pulling it and putting it in another PC is easy. The only time you might have a problem is for example when you run out of space on your media drive. You either need to add a drive and have 2 media folders or get a bigger drive and move your existing media to that drive before you add to it. I realize this is my solution but you have to be organized and have some idea about the amount of storage each category will need.

If you like the idea of a drive pool then Stablebit is the way to go as it is super flexible. This might be a bit much to think about but it maintains the NTFS formatting so pulling a drive and putting into another PC is possible and you can add and remove disks to multiple pools at anytime. They emphasize data duplication on their website but WHS2011 does that natively anyways so not sure what the point is.

As for your HTPC thoughts. My opinion is to do separate builds completely especially if you have more than one TV or computer. WHS2011 is great at media distribution but not so much as a media client. I did it myself when I had a WHS v1 box. It is possible to do but if you want to expand to allow more clients it becomes a pain. Media players are cheap enough now that you may not need a separate HTPC build (though I highly recommend having one).
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Maybe you could establish what your definition of an HTPC is so we know we're on the same page. Will it sit in the living room next to the TV and have some kind of media interface/tv guide for recording? Will it just stream content from other PCs on the LAN?

I haven't done a lot of HTPC stuff but it seems like something that's going to have lots of fans and hard drives at some point is going to be audible and therefore not good for the living room. A noisy server in a back room streaming live tv/ripped movies/etc. to a silent PC is the living room makes more sense.

Also, I think Kylepdalton was trying to give you multiple options:
  1. drive pooling, in which you pile in a bunch of drives to make them look as one big drive -- this was in WHS v1 natively and only available by third parties in WHS2011 (thus the mention of StableBit Drive Pool).
  2. And a one-drive-per-purpose sort of a deal which he was saying is his preference (one for backups, one for movies/music, etc.)
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If you like the idea of a drive pool then Stablebit is the way to go as it is super flexible. This might be a bit much to think about but it maintains the NTFS formatting so pulling a drive and putting into another PC is possible and you can add and remove disks to multiple pools at anytime. They emphasize data duplication on their website but WHS2011 does that natively anyways so not sure what the point is.

As for your HTPC thoughts. My opinion is to do separate builds completely especially if you have more than one TV or computer. WHS2011 is great at media distribution but not so much as a media client. I did it myself when I had a WHS v1 box. It is possible to do but if you want to expand to allow more clients it becomes a pain. Media players are cheap enough now that you may not need a separate HTPC build (though I highly recommend having one).
Ah okay, I understand Stablebit now. As for a completely different build, I agree. That was the original plan but I thought hey why couldn't this be possible! Although it could be it doesn't seem worth all trouble of setting up and expandability seems not too great.

So since this is in the "Server" section I guess my next bet is setting up just server! Back to the i3 and apu arguments now...... thumb.gif
I would like to stay with a mini itx board and currently i3 does seem better for needs like this..not really any need for a server with good integrated graphics, right? Again to clarify this server would be for backup, media streaming, VPN as I travel frequently, and I would also like to look into home automation and security (Though im not sure if that is directly through a server)
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