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You want to be connected to a surge protector. Doesnt matter if it is a 100 dollar one or 12 dollar one. Anything is better than plugging it straight into the wall.
This is not entirely correct.

A 12 dollar "surge protector" is usually nothing more than a power strip, and they are often not rated to protect anything at all.

Best case is you have a small 10-15 amp breaker in it. Worst case it is nothing more than a power switch.

You do actually need to spend some coin on a proper surge protector/suppressor. Many of them say they are some kind of power protector, or surge protector, or whatever, but they have no rating on them that indicates as such.

Good news is that they are not always super expensive though, but the "$12 dollar" cheap-o unit is usually not what you need.

 

Quite right, my $20, 8 outlet "surge" protector only protects the rj11 port lachen.gif

post #22 of 59
The scorch marks are harmless.

The white cable is high quality, as indicated by the "CSA" label, which means it's Canadian Standards Association safety certified. Also it's unusual for a power cable to be shielded. Usually an 18 gauge cable will be rated for 10A, 18AWGX3C means 18 American Wire Gauge, 3 Conductor.

I can't read all the markings on the new black cable, but I think each L stands for "line", and the E by the center prong means Earth ground.
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post #23 of 59
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This is not entirely correct.

A 12 dollar "surge protector" is usually nothing more than a power strip, and they are often not rated to protect anything at all.

Best case is you have a small 10-15 amp breaker in it. Worst case it is nothing more than a power switch.

You do actually need to spend some coin on a proper surge protector/suppressor. Many of them say they are some kind of power protector, or surge protector, or whatever, but they have no rating on them that indicates as such.

Good news is that they are not always super expensive though, but the "$12 dollar" cheap-o unit is usually not what you need.

I don't know about that. I bought my crappy RCA PS60004B1 for $7.99 like 6 years ago and it promised to protect my connected devices and pay out $10,000 if it failed its job to protect my equipment from certain surges of course. Considering if anything ever got damaged from that certain surge I would get a nice payout for a new PC. Not a bad deal when I saw it I said sign me up!
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  • 6 Outlets
  • 3 ft. Power Cord
  • 300 Joule Protection
  • Lighted Power Switch with Circuit Breaker
  • $10,000 Connected Equipment Guarantee
  • Standard and thermal fuses
  • Overload circuit breaker
  • MOV surge absorber
  • Box Packaging

Most have some sort of protection now as times are changing kind of like every motherboard has onboard audio but every now and then you can find those really crappy off-brand no-name power strips that nobody has ever heard of. I'd have to agree with Destrto though, a crappy $12 surge protector is better than nothing at least you got a 15A breaker in it. But most well known brands of surge protectors do have better protection than the no-name brands. You shouldn't have problems with surges if you live in an area clear of rain and thunderstorms. In the event that lightning does hit your lines there's nothing you could do about it anyways. No surge protector is going to save your equipment from lightning. Something is better than nothing.
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Semantics. Whether it has a cheap-o 10-15 amp fuse built in or higher, anything is better protection than being connected directly to a wall outlet. That was all the point i was trying to make.
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300 joules. Yes. That is going to cover a lot.

And it only covers anything you have if you can prove it was less than 300 joules that nuked your gear, otherwise you are SOL.

Most of those cheapo crappy ones don't even have a breaker. As I said, you need to pay attention to the package. 300 joules is trivial.

300 joules is the same as 300 watts for one second.

Or 3000w for 1/10th of a second.

Or 30kw for 1/100th of a second.

Or 300kw for 1 millisecond.

A lightning bolt dumps out 500 million joules. Even if it lasts 100 milliseconds, you are talking about millions and millions of watts.

Meaning even a somewhat remote, indirect strike on the electrical grid in your area can potentially, and very, VERY easily, overcome that paltry 300 joules. I have never heard of a surge suppressor that can guarantee protection from this, at least nothing in the realm of consumers.

The problems typically experienced, in my understanding, is a high drain device is turned on in the household, and you have a momentary surge in voltage. Turning on a hair dryer, or the compressor in your fridge kicking on, can result in fluctuations in voltage from 5-10 volts, sometimes higher. A decent surge protector will have no trouble with these, and you are more than likely fine with a cheap one.

In lightning storms though, it is possible for a very indirect hit to offer up no more than a hundred volts or so of a surge. This seems huge, and indeed it is. It could also be thousands of volts, but at any rate, a much higher quality suppressor is significantly more likely to save your gear.

No matter what though, if you can, you should unplug everything of any value during a lightning storm. Yes even the surge protector, as even units with a switch can potentially arc across contacts and still damage your stuff.
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Semantics. Whether it has a cheap-o 10-15 amp fuse built in or higher, anything is better protection than being connected directly to a wall outlet. That was all the point i was trying to make.
A fuse is not surge protection.

It is possible to run a thousand volts through a line and have the current still many times lower than what the fuse is rated for.
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I don't know about that. I bought my crappy RCA PS60004B1 for $7.99 like 6 years ago and it promised to protect my connected devices and pay out $10,000 if it failed its job to protect my equipment from certain surges of course. Considering if anything ever got damaged from that certain surge I would get a nice payout for a new PC. Not a bad deal when I saw it I said sign me up!
Most have some sort of protection now as times are changing kind of like every motherboard has onboard audio but every now and then you can find those really crappy off-brand no-name power strips that nobody has ever heard of. I'd have to agree with Destrto though, a crappy $12 surge protector is better than nothing at least you got a 15A breaker in it. But most well known brands of surge protectors do have better protection than the no-name brands. You shouldn't have problems with surges if you live in an area clear of rain and thunderstorms. In the event that lightning does hit your lines there's nothing you could do about it anyways. No surge protector is going to save your equipment from lightning. Something is better than nothing.

300 joule protection sucks -- as far as power surge suppression goes. IF the surge exceeds 300 joules of energy, and RCA can prove it, the $10,000 connected insurance guarantee is void. Read the fine print on that guarantee. =)

Here's a cheap APC multimedia A/V surge suppressor power strip with a 3400 joule (yes, 10x the rating of your $7.99 special) rating -- and a $100,000 connected equipment guarantee. I do know somebody that actually filed a claim for one of those warranties, and they'll make you ship your busted crap over to them, they'll pine through it for a month or two, and if I was proven to be a line surge that caused the damage, then they'll replace the equipment. They won't, however, pay you to replace it - they'll replace it for you, and keep the original equipment.

http://www.ceshowroom.com/Apc-P11Vnt3-11-Outlet-Performance-Surgearrest-Surge-Protector_p_15653.html

I'm not by any means condoning $400 Monster Power surge suppressors, but you do sorta kinda get what you pay for with the $30-$50 ones. Usually. Sometimes. =)

Greg
Edited by hammong - 8/2/13 at 9:18pm
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Semantics. Whether it has a cheap-o 10-15 amp fuse built in or higher, anything is better protection than being connected directly to a wall outlet. That was all the point i was trying to make.
A fuse is not surge protection.

It is possible to run a thousand volts through a line and have the current still many times lower than what the fuse is rated for.

thats part of what i was thinking. plus there is already a 15 amp circuit breaker on that wall outlet; so what is added protection do you get by adding another?.
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thats part of what i was thinking. plus there is already a 15 amp circuit breaker on that wall outlet; so what is added protection do you get by adding another?.
Other devices on that circuit usually are the cause of the surges. Problem is that breaker or fuse doesn't do anything in that situation anyways.
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300 joule protection sucks -- as far as power surge suppression goes. IF the surge exceeds 300 joules of energy, and RCA can prove it, the $10,000 connected insurance guarantee is void. Read the fine print on that guarantee. =)

Here's a cheap APC multimedia A/V surge suppressor power strip with a 3400 joule (yes, 10x the rating of your $7.99 special) rating -- and a $100,000 connected equipment guarantee. I do know somebody that actually filed a claim for one of those warranties, and they'll make you ship your busted crap over to them, they'll pine through it for a month or two, and if I was proven to be a line surge that caused the damage, then they'll replace the equipment. They won't, however, pay you to replace it - they'll replace it for you, and keep the original equipment.

http://www.ceshowroom.com/Apc-P11Vnt3-11-Outlet-Performance-Surgearrest-Surge-Protector_p_15653.html

I'm not by any means condoning $400 Monster Power surge suppressors, but you do sorta kinda get what you pay for with the $30-$50 ones. Usually. Sometimes. =)

Greg

Yeah, I know 300 joule protection sucks. But you have to consider where I live. I live in California where 90% of the time it's going to be sunny and it's not very likely to rain so I don't have to worry about thunderstorms. I used to play online games with many people in the Midwest/East Coast and they always complain about the thunderstorms and lose internet connection. Or they just say "Sorry, gotta go offline until this storm passes." Then they turn off everything in their house. Yeah, I figured as much for those equipment guarantee had a catch to it when I read the fine print. I'm sure the marketing/legal team had all this figured out so you the consumer never get paid. I'd get more adequate protection if I was in a heavy thunderstorm state but I'm not so I don't worry about it. It's sunshine here all year mostly.

Interesting, I never heard of anyone who actually claimed those equipment protection guarantees. How did it work out for that person? Did they get all their gear replaced with the equivalent?
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