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[BUILD LOG] Lian Li PC75 HTPC/Server Water cooling Rebuild

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So here goes, my first ever build log… I've been reading some of the amazing build logs here and elsewhere and it's made me want to get back into water cooling… and do a build of my own. I'm planning to do something sweet with my main desktop (Case Labs S3 Mini ITX build) … but for starters I'm going to resurrect my old Lian Li PC75 and the water cooling loop I had for it, and get my HTPC/server set up in that.

Here's a pic of the Lian Li in it's current state, it's got some of the W/C bits in it from some playing around I've been doing
1: Lian Li PC-75

A bit of back story…
I had my Q6600 setup in this case, all watercooled with the bits you see above, and had been running for a good while… then one night I got woken up by my partner complaining that my PC was beeping… as consciousness and lucidity set in I realised what had happened…. I turned the lights in the case on and could see a glow from the bottom that wasn't supposed to be there….. and then noticed the tube that had popped off the radiator…. that got powered off very quickly… and then I had to clean up the mess of green UV fluid that was leaking out all over the carpet in the place we were renting! I had relied on the 7/16" tubing being small enough that it would hold on without any cable clamps….. I can't remember if I even had cable ties on there… and the radiator has completely straight connections - fixed, they're not barbs, so unfortunately I can't replace them.

Anyway, that loop got torn down, the mobo and video card were destroyed and that was the end of me and water cooling … up until now.

The components from that pc… storage, cpu, mem and a few other bits were put into a new mobo and a Silverstone HTPC case where it has sat happily… under air cooling… until now.

This is the Silverstone HTPC case I've got currently:
2: Silverstone Case

It is very full of hard disks etc the stuff will be happy for some more room I'm sure!

Anyway, enough back story…

So here's the w/c bits I'm using in this build:
Swiftech MCP355 Pump w/XSPC top
Silverprop Cyclone 3 Radiator (yes this is really old!)
DangerDen CPU block for whatever socket these things use
Tygon R-3603 7/16" tubing
Miscellaneous fittings

And the PC components:
Intel Q6600
Asus ?? mobo
4gb or so of ram
Auzentech HDA xplosion 7.1 sound card
Dell Perc 5/i raid card
Lots of 3.5" spinners holding all my junk
Corsair HX620w PSU

My plan is to setup the Lian Li with all the watercooling bits and pieces I have… and get all the bits back in this case from out of the SilverStone. I'm also toying with trying some cable sleeving.. I have done this before with one of those crap kits, and a non modular power supply… but that was a fair while ago.. and nowhere near up to the standard I've seen around here.

So to start off with… I have some new bits…
XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Res
Green LEDs
Silver Coils
XSPC UV Green Tubing
BitFenix spectrum pro led 200mm fan

3: New bits

When I last watercooled I was using Fluid XP uv green… and clear tygon tubing… and I was very careful when I used it previously to only fill it once with the fluid xp… and that actually stayed ok.. since playing with this rebuild I've had all manner of standard water through these tubes and they do go cloudy extremely quickly. So I've grabbed that XSPC tubing in the hopes it's better, and will just be using distilled water with it. This should also mean all the blocks etc don't get gunked up with crap.

So the list of things to do:
  • Figure out optimal layout for all the watercooling components
  • Clean out all the existing W/C bits and make sure they're good to go
  • Fit new tubing, get everything hooked up and leak test
  • Setup rear pull fan for the radiator
  • Cut hole in side panel for radiator fan and find a grill/cover for it.
  • Get all the bits and pieces from the old case into this one
  • Figure out cable routing etc
  • Cut holes in mobo tray for cable routing
  • Cable sleeving?
  • Lighting control - switches/wiring for the case lighting
  • Final fit out… adding the bling
  • Finished?


4: Old loop design

So here's a look at the current loop I was trying out…. I've previously had the radiator up the other way - barbs down… and thought that turning it over should be easier to bleed since the air will be at the top… well that's true.. but with the closed loop.. and only the fillport for air to escape.. that wasn't really happening.. it was just flying around the loop. Another loop layout… had the fillport going directly to the pump.. otherwise the same as what you see there.. that seemed to work ok.. but still was a pain to bleed. That is why I decided to get that bayres… one to make filling easier… and two with the idea that bubbles should naturally head there and not stay in the loop…

Anyway here's the bayres unboxed…
5: Bayres

And barbs and fillport adapter attached
6: Bayres w/barbs

In my bits and pieces I also got one of the XSPC fillports for the case…
7: XSPC fillport - doesn't fit the existing hole
Unfortunately that doesn't fit in the hole I had for the old Danger Den fillport frown.gif So back to the Danger Den black delrin one for now.
8: DD Fillport

Bayres installed
it still has the plastic on the front at the moment, I haven't put the Aluminum front on yet.

from the front of case
9: Bayres - from the front of the case

from inside the case:
10: Bayres - from inside the case

Took the DD block apart to give it a bit of a clean…
11: DD block preparing to be cleaned

12: Warranty Void!
Well there goes the warranty…. it was long gone anyway…

Here's my first loop setup.. very similar to the previous… Res and Fillport/tube -> Pump -> CPU -> RAD -> RES
13: First loop layout

Decided that the fillport/tube was superfluous with the Res, so got rid of it
14: Second loop layout - Fillport removed

Time for a quick coffee break before I fill it up and see how it goes
15: Coffee Break!

Res filled:
16: Res filled

It took a little while for the water from the rad to push the air out of the loop and actually fill up the system, but it got there..
17: System filling

Turned on the pump and a billion bubbles blew out the res pretty quickly. This is the first time I've used a res in a water cooling loop and two things struck me right away… 1) Easiest bleeding ever! 2) Much easier than having to fill, turn on pump, fill again, to get the whole loop filled. I'm convinced smile.gif

I did notice one thing however… with the res only partially filled there was a load of turbulence in there and it was quite noisy… I filled it right up and that took care of that very nicely… I guess the CPU block and RAD are not restricting the flow of the MCP355 too much smile.gif

Anyway I'm pretty happy with that loop design… here's some parting shots of the Res and pump top lit up with the green LEDs I got…. one of the leds on the twin set was a bit dodgy.. would work if you pushed it but kept turning off… so will have to get that swapped.. but otherwise… looks pretty good!

XSPC Res w/ twin green 5mm LEDs:
18: XSPC Res w/ twin green 5mm LEDs:

XSPC pump top w/ twin green 5mm LEDs:
19: XSPC pump top w/ twin green 5mm LEDs

Anyway, that's all for now, I hope you like it and I'd love to hear if you have any suggestions. Thanks for reading.
Edited by crazysurfanz - 8/3/13 at 3:47am
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Can't believe it's been three weeks since I last posted here, anyway... here's a bit of an update of what I've been up to in that time!

Well first up - I decided that my old radiator was a bit crap… and I've always wanted to do a big radiator in the top of this case…. I was going to go for one of the Alphacool UT60 360rads… … which is vast overkill since I'm only cooling a q6600 … but anyway… they didn't have them in stock …. so then I was going to go more overkill and get the Monsta… but that wasn't in stock either, so I ended up with the XT45… which is still plenty for what I'm cooling.

I also decided the dual 80mm fans at the front of the case just wouldn't do… I would like this to be reasonably silent (he says having just got a rad that will add another 3 fans)…. so I decided to mod the front to take a 140mm fan instead… hopefully that should allow me the same airflow but at lower speed… thus hopefully running quieter smile.gif


So new bits…


Alphacool XT45 RAD
Akasa Viper 120mm fans x 3 (for the rad)
Akasa Viper 140mm fan (for the front)

I also got some sleeving bits… this is Lutro0 stuff… but helpfully imported by TechWorld my local.. (and the only place in NZ that stocks Lutro0 stuff… and really any custom water cooling stuff these days!)


Lutro0 Straight-line sleeving black 25ft
Lutro0 3:1heatshrink for heatshrinkless method
Lutro0 Straight edge cutters
(oh and some ArcticSilver/ArcticClean)

Also, some stuff I ordered from QuietPC arrived:


A couple of Cool-link 80mm fans for the back of the case
Gelid 40mm fan - to replace the noisy one on my raid card
Gelid 4 to 1 pwm splitter


And finally some fan filters from Demciflex:


3x140mm filter - to go on the top of the case - should give a bit of extra room around where the rad is mounted hopefully
2x80mm fan filter - got these for the back fans… in case I decide to change them to intakes
1x140mm filter - for the front intake

Right so that's the new bits out of the way.

So last weekend I decided to attack the mobo tray to add cable routing holes… out came the 'rotary hobby tool' (I don't have a real dremel frown.gif)

Here's the finished tray:


Hole for CPU (PWM) fan connector on the Mobo…


EPS (CPU) power connector..


ATX connector…


FPanel and USB connectors


Next I decided to attack the front of the case to make room for the 140mm fan…

Original dual 80mm fan holes:


Marked up to be cut out for the 140mm….

Now with holes and space for a 140mm:


Many cutting discs were harmed in the making of these holes......

Decided to leave the strut across the middle in case I ever want to use 80mm fans in here again (not sure why I would, but there you go).

140mm fan installed:


The anti vibe mounts seem ok, but there is a problem with that… the baubles on the end of them prevent the filter from sitting nicely… not sure what I'm going to do about that… possibly I'll mount it to the interior of the front bezel and cover up the air holes on that rather than directly over the fan on the front of the case (suggestions welcome!)



I wanted to tidy up the cable routing holes in the mobo tray with some u-channel like they sell on mnpc-tech but didn't really want to wait for it to come from the US, so found this stuff at a local electrical supplier:


It's not rubber, which I believe the mnpc-tech stuff is.. it's plastic, so possibly not as flexible.

Managed to get it installed nicely around the main hole for the ATX connector:


I also tried to get it installed in the bottom hole for the USB/FPANEL etc… but it just wouldn't bend around such a tight curve (and back on itself) - so I took it out in the end. I didn't try on the hole for EPS or PWM since they're about the same small amount of space.



So other than that… I also drilled out the rivets holding the top of the case on so I could take that off, and figure out the placement for the radiator… so next step will be cutting that out, and getting that all organised.. hopefully get to that this weekend smile.gif

Thanks for reading.
CrazySurfaNZ
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I'll come along for the ride biggrin.gif sub'd
Do you have any particular theme for the build?
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I'll come along for the ride biggrin.gif sub'd
Do you have any particular theme for the build?

Hi Buehlar - welcome aboard. As for theme, nothing concrete... you may have noticed I'm a bit of a fan of green.. so that's pretty much as close as it's getting at this point.

Part of the point to this build is for me to try out a few things in terms of modding/sleeving/water cooling etc ... and I'm actually then vaguely planning another build.. so this is the beta test so to speak... (although the other build I'm planning after this is going to be for a mini itx system... so we'll see).

Cheers,
CrazySurfaNZ
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So I came up with a solution for the front fan filter, I couldn't attach it directly to the front of the case (where the old filter used to be) because the baubles from the fan mounts would interfere with it. I also couldn't attach it to the inside of the front panel, because it was slightly too big to sit nicely there - at it's lowest point it would still have been just up where the 3.5" bays poke out.

So what I decided to do was create a spacer to hold the fan filter just off the baubles… there should be just enough room for it there. It also covers up the extra space at the sides of the 140mm fan - that were there from the original dual 80mm fan holes.

Here's the plan I came up with, and the piece of particle board it's destined for:


And here's the finished product:


Took longer than I expected to do that. It does require one compromise… you can't see it in that picture but at the top of the spacer, it overlaps the bottom of the drive cage - there was a thumb screw for securing that to the case so it could be easily added/removed. I've replaced that with a regular screw, and cut out a notch in the back of the spacer for both the bottom of the drive cage and a bit extra for the screw - so that sits nicely underneath the spacer now.


I also had to round out the bottom centre to allow room for the USB connector to sit nicely, as well as a couple of grooves which you might be able to just make out for where the connector mounts to the case - there are also a couple of notches in the back for those to sit in.


In the end it sits nicely flush against the case with just a friction fit - I had intended to use the original 80mm fan holes to secure it, but I haven't got any appropriate screws anyway and since it sits nicely I'll just leave it.


I haven't actually installed the filter yet, not sure if I might want to paint the wood or possibly seal it somehow so didn't want to actually stick it on it until I've decided. (if you haven't used one of these filters before, the filter itself has a magnetic edge, and if you don't have a steel case, you can get a 'non-ferrous' version, which is the same filter but includes a magnetic sticker of the same shape and size to attach to the case so you can still easily remove the filter for cleaning).

Here's a picture of where the fan filter will be anyway:


Next up is the radiator cut out smile.gif

Cheers,
CrazySurfaNZ
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Thanks Squashie welcome aboard.

Should have another update soon... I've actually done the radiator cut out now... just gotta get the pictures loaded up etc!
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A quick update… did some sleeving of the case switches/LEDs/speaker…



Turned out pretty good. But now I need some bigger sleeve for the USB cables.

Want to attack the sleeving for the fans next… some of the 'sleeving' that some fans come with is pretty bad..

Cool-link just chuck straight heatshrink on theirs:


I don't know what this stuff is on the Akasa Viper 120s… it was kinda fabricy…


The Akasa Viper 140 actually had proper sleeve on it… but way too fat… sorry don't have a picture of that...

Also don't know what's up with these companies going to the effort of putting these attempts at sleeving on… then leaving brown and white fan connectors… so I need to get some black connectors too.

So gotta order some sleeving bits before I can carry on with that…. next update… radiator cut out (promise!)

Cheers,
CrazySurfaNZ
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Alrighty… so .. the radiator cut out in the top panel…

I haven't done one of these before, for this one, I used a radiator cut out template from mnpc-tech.com… I also used the cut out guide here on OCN: http://www.overclock.net/t/333130/how-to-do-radiator-cut-outs/

This was also my first time using a jigsaw…

So without further ado:







An idea of what it will look like with the demciflex filter covering it. Probably should have taken it out of the bag for the picture, but anyway...


Rad installed, yeah I was lazy and only put 2 fans and 4 screws in tongue.gif



So a couple of tips in case anyone decides to use this as a guide to radiator cut outs:
  • Do your marking on the top/outside of the case - I had issues with being able to put the jigsaw where I needed it because I did it on the inside .. and was obstructed by the side of the top piece.
  • Try to drill all the pilot holes you're going to need before you start cutting, once the panel is cut, it loses it's strength which can make it more difficult to drill into.

All in all fairly happy with how that came out smile.gif
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Hi crazysurfanz,
I have the same case and am about to chop it up, i came for ideas, looking good so far smile.gif
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